This isn't solely a financial decision, you need to also consider your children's appreciation and understanding of money and how getting them their own place to attend college might impact on that. You say in your opening post how you've been saving your entire life, not having come from a wealthy family and this trait has served you well. You don't want this important skill / value to be lost on your children. It's one thing to fund or part fund a house share for them in another part of the country as many other students will be doing but getting them their own place if they could easily attend from the family home may not have the intended consequences for them either. Just something to consider.Re: Children living away from home, rather than at home while going to college in same city
Thanks. This is not something we considered. And the additional rental+living costs would put me off. We will consider it.
If, we decide go down the route of kid(s) doing college away from home, I think we would try to buy something suitable for rental. Will discuss this more with my spouse. At the moment, my frugal side could only get on board with this, if we could make the thing pay for itself, or come to close to that. Potentially this could be part of some form of inheritanc planning too.
If you have reached the threshold you have reached the threshold, employer contributions are already included.Have you exhausted all options with your employer for additional ER contributions. Is there an option to have your bonus/performance paid as ER pension contributions? Care would have to be taken that it is not deemed a salary sacrifice and taxed as a BIK. My understanding is that it has to be at the employers discretion to choose the type of payment, i.e. you cannot request it to be paid as a pension contribution or it would be deemed a salary sacrifice. Some contractual renegotiation would be required
Yes, Let's say a Tier-1 tech company. And shares have done very well over past years. I deliberately didn't sell for a few years, to ride the risk,and I mostly have managed to sell out at annual highs, in order to help fund house purchase and pay down mortgage. After renovation, and with current level of mortgage, I will not have something that 'forces' me to sell more of the shares, but I accept it is very risky to let the value build too high. Albeit, I have been paid hansomely for this risk by holding on to the shares in the past, and not selling as soon as they vest.I am also always curious to hear about the role or employers providing such excellent packages. Well done anyway.
Someone guessed you are in tech, an industry where some are suggesting a share price bubble, but whichever, any share and any industry can run into a crisis, so the risk needs to be diversified via some form of portfolio as an alternate.
Ye are right, I would be there in two years. Assuming I pay down mortgages with new savings (and don't invest them) and the 400k renovation is completed, then in two years, my costs are about 40k p.a. Rental is about 18k income. Pension growth would be about 22k (550*4%). And I would have no cash/stock in hand.You mention being financially independent is the goal. I think Brendan nails this in his response, you are essentially there or on the home straight, so this is about protecting wealth.
You could approach this my doing an exercise to establish your cost of living, post mortgage repayments, required to maintain the standard of living you want, or in other words your desired retirement income. I think you have done this loosely, but put some actual numbers on it yourself. In an ideal world that number equals the your passive income, plus annual growth of pension and equity portfolio, with no need to sell anything ever. That may well be achievable for you given your income and youth.
Thanks, yes I tend to agree, it would be very difficult for us to mad on spendingIt seems you enjoy your house but other than that your family are not driven by materialism, multiple posh cars and posh holidays. Even if you decide to start taking an extra holiday, it won’t be a major cost in the scheme of things, unless you go totally mad.
Pensions are maxed. Mortgage will be paid down, although not yet clear if that is the next step, or after further investment first. Renovation is a risk, we don't have a good handle on the price for that yet.My instinct would be pay off the non trackers, max pensions, and get a diversified equity portfolio. decide or clarify if the “financial independence” is also about a very serious objective to retire early, or just a position in life so you always feel you have the comfort and choice. If retirement as early as possible is the goal then there are probably some threads on here too; you don’t need to live frugal but would want to watch your monthly costs don’t go creeping way up just because your earnings do, or things like your renovation are well managed and enjoyed but don’t become a total money pit.
Maybe I'm overly hubristic, but I am not convinced that I would get value from it? And did I mention I love doing things myself, rather than outsourcing them (possibly to a fault)I would also add given the sums involved that it’s worth taking proper advice about retirement planning and risk management.
I think it is a risk, but I don't think they would. Generally I have found them to be very reasonable.If you're considering the risk that the insurance doesn't pay out, isn't there also a risk that your employment is terminated (on grounds of ill health), and that therefore your RSUs won't continue to vest?
Can you send me your bank account details, you can be the middler person, and solve my problems!My advice is to vote or campaign for a left wing party, maybe Sinn Fein. A more equitable taxation system would mean more equitable distribution of wealth and alleviate some of your problem.
All in good fun. Fully realise this is a 'ridiculous' problem to have. Although, I do have several ideas/clues about what to do with it!If someone's " problem" is " I really haven't got a clue what to do with 150k ", every year, then they have to expect a bit of a ribbing.
Thanks, that helps. Good to hear from others who were in similar place. I will work harder on spending.Agree with spending to create memories. You can't take the money with you.
I think you're underspending is fine. I was like that too. I had to learn to spend and I quite like it actually. My family used to give out to me about how tight I was.
Thanks for cofirming.The only reason I said not to renovate was because of the stress. But now you've said you'll rent, plus you're both happy where you are than absoluely stay put.
hehe, I can relate. Although, 20k for a car is probably more than I could spend! Unless it was going to make money for me.And please don't buy a Tesla. But I'm sure you could spend 20K on a car. My own tin can, that I love, is 16 years old and is my pride and joy. And is the despair of the entire household as I don't even have a radio in it. But I can find my way around without a GPS !! One thing I do konw, and NRC said it, you never know what ill health can do to you. Or how life can throw a curve ball at you.
Thanks! And thanks for sharing your view and life experience.First off well done, you are in a great financial position.
I agree, we spend most of our time in our homes (even without covid), and making them comfortable, with invigourating and relaxing places makes a lot of sense to me.Few things come to mind, one thing the lockdown as brought home to me is that your home important, if you can improve it or get a better one do that.
Your are probably right. We are thinking at maximum along the the lines of 150m2 renovation+100m2 extension. Looking a bit further, I think rough prices are 150*1per m2+100*2 per m2 = 350k. But we will want it to be relatively high spec / over supplied on things like storage, plumbing, natural light, bringing the outside in, low future running costs, and would try to favour environmentally favourable materials. So probably 400 will even be a challenge?If you are planning a major renovation itll be more like 400k than 200k.
Agreed, we need to do spoil ourselves some more.Secondly, and you have alluded to this yourself, make sure you are enjoying yourself, holidays, gadgets, a car, stuff for the house, whatever it is that floats your boat, because you cant take it with you.
Thirdly, does your wife want to work, or is she just doing it because she can earn a reasonable income working part time? we had a similar decision to make (albeit my wife was still working full time) and we decided to forego the 80-100k she earns a year so that one of us can be with the kids full time, now my earnings had increased over the previous 2-3 years to effectively take up the slack once we took the childcare costs out but it meant i was earning a lot more for us to stay still effectively, but we still think its a good use of our resources! My kids are younger so it may not be as important in your case.
Thanks for these points. I want to dedicate a full reply to each of these two important points, as I think they are very significant for our life.And lastly, again depends on your outlook, but personally i enjoy working, once i get my mortgage squared away itll take the pressure off a little and im not beholden to anyone as such, but do you want to be financially independent to meet a goal you set for yourself or do you really want to leave what you are doing in the longer term?
Would you ever consider "downsizing" to a less financially rewarding but potentially less demanding job?
handy link to my earlier reply where I address the rest of MugsGame question on work/life balance
A second rental income cashflow. With a secod property of about 300k, would take 2 more years (so four years now), and then I could have the two rentals covering my base costs, and not need to sell equities to live, so would be well setup to weather stockmarket collapse.
There is an amazing amount of emphasis on dud tenant's on AAM. As a long time landlord with other family members in this business for decades it is not our experiences. And sure yes we have had a bad experience here and there.I wouldn't be a fan of this idea.
Two rental properties is incredibly concentrated by asset class. It is also very high risk. One dud tenant and you lose 50% of your rental income.
I think being a private landlord can make sense. But the yield has be enough to compensate for the risk and you'd need a diversity of income streams.
I just looked at the RTB website. There were 923 adjudication orders in 2019 alone with the tag "overholding".As a long time landlord with other family members in this business for decades it is not our experiences.
Have you exhausted all options with your employer for additional ER contributions. Is there an option to have your bonus/performance paid as ER pension contributions? Care would have to be taken that it is not deemed a salary sacrifice and taxed as a BIK. My understanding is that it has to be at the employers discretion to choose the type of payment, i.e. you cannot request it to be paid as a pension contribution or it would be deemed a salary sacrifice. Some contractual renegotiation would be required
Because it's something that:And that's a material risk how?
That's a complete straw man.How would you compare it to the risk of holding shares for 25 years if they turned out to be AIB or BofI shares in circa 2006?
€400k for that level of work in Dublin looks like a pretty tight budget to me, particularly if you are going for a high spec.Your are probably right. We are thinking at maximum along the the lines of 150m2 renovation+100m2 extension. Looking a bit further, I think rough prices are 150*1per m2+100*2 per m2 = 350k. But we will want it to be relatively high spec / over supplied on things like storage, plumbing, natural light, bringing the outside in, low future running costs, and would try to favour environmentally favourable materials. So probably 400 will even be a challenge?
Prices are going through the roof at the moment and only going higher. Builders can't get tradesmen, who's prices are only going higher. supply of materials going up. I was told as a rule of thumb €1,500 per square meter if single story extension, €2,000 if going for 2 storey. If you want it high spec or there's anything complicated, it's going to be more.€400k for that level of work in Dublin looks like a pretty tight budget to me, particularly if you are going for a high spec.
2019 RIAI Consumer Cost Guidelines (ex vat): Extension - €1,900 to €2,300 per sqm / Renovation - €1,800 to €2,000 per sqm.
So, €460k to €530k (ex vat) for your project.
I wouldn't be a fan of this idea.
Two rental properties is incredibly concentrated by asset class. It is also very high risk. One dud tenant and you lose 50% of your rental income.
I think being a private landlord can make sense. But the yield has be enough to compensate for the risk and you'd need a diversity of income streams.
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