If it's not on that list, presumably the part is expected to last the lifetime of the overall product, no?
No.
As I said, a turbo can blow at any time. This can be down to the style of driving. A timing belt for instance has a "life" of about 60,000miles, but this does not mean it will actually last 60,000miles. So if for instance you have only driven 30,000miles but the belt is 10years old, then the quality of the belt over that period of time will have significantly deteriorated. Should you be entitled to some help then if you havnt hit the 60,000 mile expectancy ?
Same question remains: how long can one expect a moderm car to last, if it is well looked after, serviced according to schedule?
Glad I saw this thread today as I've just had hell with my local Renualt dealer with our 04 Scenic 1.4 petrol.
Basically the dash board, which is digital display, went blank last week. No speed, clock, fuel, lights etc etc could be seen. Therefore the car is not road worthy. Rang the dealer, expalined the issue, was told its a common fault so much so that Renault stand over all costs expect €115. I was surprised as I would expect such a vital part to last the lifetime of the car. Not the case however. Anyway went back to collect the car fuming at having to pay for this only to find out that during the replacement of the part it wipes all the mileage from the dash. So my mileage went from 63K to 0K. Kicked up a fuss but again there was nothing that could be done.
Will be taking this further so all I can say ang1170 is best of luck with dealing with this shower.
how much does a new engine for a scenic actually cost? where is this reference " not economic to repair" come from? do a google and you will find this turbo problem is well known. I would make a case to RENAULT and get some or all of the cost paid. dont worry about how long a car should last, less than a 100k is nothing on a diesel. do you know if egr valve was replaced???
noah
Rang the dealer, expalined the issue, was told its a common fault so much so that Renault stand over all costs expect €115. I was surprised as I would expect such a vital part to last the lifetime of the car. Not the case however. Anyway went back to collect the car fuming at having to pay for this
This makes no sense, Renault stood over the costs but you were fuming at having to pay - which was it??
I'm amazed that people expect cars to last to 'their' standards.
VW/AUDI 2.0TDi engines are one of the most common engines in Passats, Golfs, A3/4/5/6, etc, yet they suffer from major problems UNLESS the car is driven on long journeys regularly.
You can spend 30k on a Passat and drive it to the shops or mass once a week or whatever and it WILL cause you thousands of euro in repairs after maybe 5 years.
DMF, EGR, DPF are all major parts that improve driveability and reduce emissions.
Everyone wants these things and they are improving yes, but to achieve the demands of the customer, they were introduced perhaps before the ywere perfected.
The original BMW 2.0D (as found in the E46 320D) had a reputation for eating turbos before 100k miles. But the car was fast, powerful, efficient, and so the major pros outweighed the relatively rare cons. WIth the amount of them sold, however, the problems were well documented.
Honda iCTDI engines are massively reliable, but if you do not use the Castrol Edge recommended, they CAN develop terminal problems.
Modern cars are so efficient and (on the whole) reliable because they are so complex. This complexity is also their downfall.
And that's the issue isn't it. Who defines what is 'proper' ?, if properly maintained.
No of course not, but talk to a mechanic and they will tell you.ang1170 said:Then I'd suggest they are not fit for purpose, since short journeys are the norm for many motorists. Do they issue warnings that this is likely to happen?
I think they generally do. However, this only refers to general service parts. The parts I mentioned above are not classified as service parts. The DPF is a self-regenerating unit but needs to be at a high temperature to do so. short journeys do not allow this to happen and so it eventually clogs up and can cost the guts of a grand to clean/replace.ang1170 said:BMW and the like "claim" to have service indicatiors that indicate when the car needs servicing "depending on how you use it". I would expect this (assuming it works) to indicate when a car with a particular usage pattern requires attention.
The turbo is not a service part, but there was a modification that cured this problem eventually and didn't affect every car.ang1170 said:If that's the case - failure regardless of service life - the turbo should be marked as a service item (alternatively, flagged as a replacement item if for example a service has been skipped).
It's clearly highlighted in the service book but unscrupulous mechanics may not heed that and use cheap generic oil instead of the expensive type required.ang1170 said:How well is this flagged to customers?
True. More people need to be made aware of this. However, the appeal of driving a new car blinds people to the suitability of such a car to their needs.ang1170 said:Understood, but I still have an issue with a car being used in perfectly normal ways (short journeys etc.) should effectively expire. It smacks of being told "you're doing the wrong sort of driving".
True, however, being realistic, no manufacturer is going to advertise a car doing 45mpg, minimum CO2 tax rate, air-con, xenon lights etc. and then have a caveat that cars must be driven like 'so' for reliability to be assured.ang1170 said:If they need additional servicing, and certain parts replacing if they are driven in certain ways or service intervals skipped or whatever, this should be made clear.
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