Why can't schools use off the peg plans like they used to back in the sixties and seventies, these are the still the bedrock of our school buildings nearly 50 years later and are a lot better than some of the expensive bespoke architect stuff we build nowMy local school recently completed a small one classroom extension cost approx 180K. The professional fees from the Architect were 38K including vat for design and supervision and then people wonder how building is so expensive. Imagine how much professional fees would be on a housing estate when one room cost 38K.
I remember seeing a comment in article that it can take something like 2 years to go through a procurement process to select the developer? If thats true, the measures being put in place by the current government won't be seen for 2+ years?
SO basically we need private sector interests to deliver housing because the State Sector is grossly inefficient. That shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.Yeah, 2+ years for public development, but private development can move a lot faster so that likely makes that route more appealing to a political party whose primary focus is the next election.
Exactly, and the whole children's hospital debacle is an ongoing reminder of just how expensive state run projects can become.SO basically we need private sector interests to deliver housing because the State Sector is grossly inefficient. That shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
Yep, this is about the ineptitude of the people involved in Public Procurement more than vulture funds and all the other headline grabbing emotive buzzwords. If the State was competent it could deliver public services cheaper and better but the citizens of this country are being let down in the provision of housing as well as health and so many other facets of the State sector.Exactly, and the whole children's hospital debacle is an ongoing reminder of just how expensive state run projects can become.
That won't reduce the sell price, just the cost price. It's not a normal open market so reductions in cost won't translate to reductions in price.
Lets see what happens post-pandemic - but people have voted with their feet for the last 50 years........ urbanisation is what people want......civil servants can have all the ideas they want around what people SHOULD want.....but the reality is people will decide.......but yes everything should be done to at least enable those who want to stay in rural towns to do thatBad idea; we've enough urban sprawl as it is. If we can't to grow outside the citied then have development plans for our towns.
No - as I said it needs to remains a separate entity, aligned with private sector norms......just with a not for profit bentWith all the public service type work practices, pensions and inefficiencies? I'd rather see the State just get better at procurement.
yes of course - sorry I wasnt suggesting some de Valera type insular strategy - just where it makes sense in terms of building up capability to supply ourselves at cost parity with RoW.....or where we should have a slight competitive advantage.....lumber for example......not rubber stoppersWe don't produce the raw materials here. Attempting to on-shore our supply chain would add massively to our costs and serve no purpose as the suppliers have their suppliers and those will be outside Ireland anyway. We're not going to produce glass and PVC and the polymers for insulation and wiring and rubber and steel for nails and screws and hinges and latches for doors and windows and polymers for paint and varnish and all the other niche products that go into houses.
Yep, this is about the ineptitude of the people involved in Public Procurement more than vulture funds and all the other headline grabbing emotive buzzwords. If the State was competent it could deliver public services cheaper and better but the citizens of this country are being let down in the provision of housing as well as health and so many other facets of the State sector.
Yeah, anyone who thought that was naïve. If profit margins here were so good we'd have many more construction firms looking to build.So clearly they are arguing it isn't as simple as reducing profit margins.
Because there's no return on bonds. That's driving an influx of capital into property in the developed world, which is why the problem of working people being priced out of the market is nowhere near unique to Ireland.Why do you think there was an influx of foreign property investment funds?
We have a shortage of housing and many of apartments are poor quality.We have a storage of housing and no one willing to make compromise on any part in order to fix that.
So if anyone make any suggestions its eventually gets shot down by .... but standards...
Which is hypocritical, as we don't enforce those standards anyway. Its tokenism.
My son is renting what a tiny apartment in Dublin for €1275 a month. It's pre 63 and under 400 square feet. He loves it.We have a shortage of housing and many of apartments are poor quality.
There's a place for them too, if it's pre 63 it's probably well built with proper walls not 1980s paper thin ones.My son is renting what a tiny apartment in Dublin for €1275 a month. It's pre 63 and under 400 square feet. He loves it.
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