Can you prove this?...They'll be much cheaper than Irish web developers.
Can you prove this?
Yeah but can they do as good a job?
Bolo said:Ive got a few quotes from Irish web developers 600euros for a simple brochure site without maintenance
Asking any Irish business to work with a developer in India or wherever to build their company website is a non-runner in my opinion. The obstacles are too much. Time delay, language, etc.Absolutely. They just have lower wages in their countries.
€600 for a professionally designed website is very low in my opinion. As pointed out by sinbadsailor, there is a big difference between 'designer' and 'developer'. It is very rare that you get a competent developer that has quality design skills and experience, and vice versa. Compromising can be dangerous and expensive.That's very expensive. I recommend you check out the link I posted earlier...
Asking any Irish business to work with a developer in India or wherever to build their company website is a non-runner in my opinion. The obstacles are too much. Time delay, language, etc.
€600 for a professionally designed website is very low in my opinion.
As pointed out by sinbadsailor, there is a big difference between 'designer' and 'developer'. It is very rare that you get a competent developer that has quality design skills and experience, and vice versa. Compromising can be dangerous and expensive.
Some people may think €600 is a lot because it may take a developer a matter of hours to put together a brochure site, but what will that site look like? Will it look good, professional, will the font usage be clearly thought out, will the colour scheme be thought through? Will the images be adequate? If you build it in standards compliant html/css how long are you going to spend debugging it in IE? Are you going to charge for these hours as well?
Most businesses would easily spend €600 on a print advert in a newspaper which is gone after a day. Why not spend more on a website that will be available 24/7 for years?
I see your point, but in fairness you are a developer. You know the playing field. You know what questions to ask and how to get the results you want from the offshore developers. I would think it would be more difficult for someone without any web/design/IT knowledge to initiate proceedings with someone by email and to run a project smoothly.That's rubbish. I could name a very large famous Irish website which is developed in Belarus.
There are no obstacles. I've been using off shore workers (developers and QA) from a number of countries including Ukraine, China, Russia and India and I've never had any problems.
I am a designer by trade. I can also code html/css for brochure sites but if anyone wants heavy development work I will contract a developer. From your point of view €600 may seem high as you outsource all work, but in the Irish industry I think it is quite low.Are you a web developer?
€600 for a brochure website is not very low.
I accept your honesty and I agree, perhaps you can save a fortune, but I would rather deal with local industry. I would tell the client how much it is going to cost upfront. If they agree, then I pay a local developer the same.I'm sorry, but there is no need to hire an Irish person for web development work. You can save a fortune by outsourcing to a foreigner.
Again, I'm a web developer myself. I'm just being honest about the industry.
So, essentially, are you a middleman? Do you just act as an intermediary between Irish businesses and offshore designers/developers? Sorry, not being smart here, it's just you say you are a developer but that you outsource everything. Do you find this appraoch easier than working as a developer yourself in the Irish industry?I agree somewhat. But again, you can offshore the coding and design work for peanuts.
Not at all, I'm sure they are just as competent, and in some cases more competent. I'm not trying to tell you what you're doing is wrong. As a model, it obviously works quite well for you. I am simply defending the Irish web design/development industry as, in my opinion, you seem to be coming out quite hard against it.You seem to think only Irish people can do this. I assure you people in other countries also have technical skills. They just have lower wages.
Lower national wages does not mean poor skills.
I understand that, and I appreciate your point of view, but when I read comments like "I'm sorry, but there is no need to hire an Irish person for web development work" I feel i have to defend the industry in which I earn my crust.I agree. I have no problem with companies who want to spend a lot for local work (or whatever way they want to spend money.)
The OP has said he wants to keep his costs to a minimum, and I am letting him know how he can do this
Whatever about outsourcing, you cannot expect the average business person to put together a website themselves. 'Design' is the most important aspect of any website - along with good content of course. Design is something you are either born with, or aquire over years of experience.Use your 600 quid to do a course in FrontPage .... Money well spent and you can do IT yourself .... You'd be surprised how easy it is. The only drawback is that IT is time consuming, specially if you are starting up a business.
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