Vorosmarty palace

kathryn

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Would any of the Budapest contributors have an opinion on this development? I am looking at a one bed street facing corner apartment 56sqm 118k. Located in district V11 on vorosmarty Ucta.

Many Thanks
 
Re: Vorosmarty palace??

I would have thought that over eur2K per sqm for VII was top end. I'm not familiar with this dev, is it new build?? I would be happy to pay maybe around eur1,600-1,700 per sqm new build, not old, in this location but not any more than that. Is it a guaranteed rental product??? Beware of course if it is.....I wouldn't be swayed by the old "additional facilities, gym etc" as that doesn't mean much more than additional communal fees which are onerous for an owner and worse for a tenant when rented. Assuming a rental income of 550eur per month your yield is 5.5% gross which isn't so great and have often seen better in B'pest. Think far better bets easily found on the market.......
 
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Are you guys not worried about the street riots, basket-case government etc etc over there?
 
Extopia - whilst i'm not posting to necessarily recommend b'pest, I don't believe it is a bad time to buy there. What it has become is a longer term investment, realistic emu compliance unlikely for another 8-10 yrs I guess, hard currency in their pockets prob therefore at least 10 yrs away. However, with a long term viewpoint not bad in my opinion. Would put it ahead of Bulgaria 100 times over!! I think it's relevant that there is essentially no credit in that property market, rates remain pretty high etc etc....there are good gains to be made when they finally get off their knees. Lots of hardship ahead for the locals, punitive taxes etc etc but isn't it better to see their troubles out in the open so to speak and maybe they will finally get their act together......
 
Re: Vorosmarty palace??

Assuming a rental income of 550eur per month your yield is 5.5% gross which isn't so great and have often seen better in B'pest. Think far better bets easily found on the market.......

I think a monthly rental income in the €300's is closer to what can be expected. Some areas of district VII are not so great so don't just assume that because it's in district VII it's a good area.

I think to ensure that you have a near to 100% occupancy you need to be buying in a good area which is in demand and that is unlikely to have a massive development built close whic good cause an oversupply in that area in the future.

If you have a prime/good location in a city you will always rent the apartment.

I think you will really only get value for money if you buy a second hand (possibly reburbished) apartment from a local agent. I think all the newbuilds are being marketed to foreign buyers with agents in the foreign countries taking a nice commission for themselves.

Why don't you go over to Budapest, spend some time over there and get a feel for the place. There are a number of companies which are specialising in selling second hand apartments, you could meet them over there. Forget about using Irish Based Agents, but you could use them just for comparison.

BUDAPEST who posts here frequently maybe able to assist you and point you in the right directrion. You should send him a PM if you are planning to explore Budapest a little before a purchase.
 
I have an 50 sq.m. apartment (courtyard) on Hunyadi Square, (the Andrassy end of Vorosmarty u.). This is district VI. It rents for E350-E380 pm plus utilities - possibly the figures you expect for rental are a little high?

I agree with previous posters about looking around the area. You can find good deals.

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Many thanks for all your opinions

It is a new build and is not a "guaranteed rental". I have already been to Budapest and unlike some don't feel there is any imminent collapse of their social structures in sight!!!!

However I think I need to spend more time over there sourcing better value. Unfortunately my trips tend to be flying visits.

Thanks again
 
I have already been to Budapest and unlike some don't feel there is any imminent collapse of their social structures in sight!!!!

here here. This seems to be a common theme with those who contemplated buying in Budapest, but backed out; now they feel justified, as the place is seemingly falling apart.
The unrest was political, and in this case, was more venting of public anger at a ligitimate cause than anything else.

Cast your mind back to O Connell St not long ago, and the Love Ulster march. The first sign of OangeMen in Dublin and we all put on our Celtic jerseys and turn into complete Sectarian Bigots. It was beamed across the entire world, under the 'How could this happen in a stable society' banner.

Back on topic: The rent is closer to 350-380 (as mentioned above), and €2,100 in Dis 7 seems very high.
 
That Vorosmarty apartment seems incredibly expensive and this part of the street in District VII is not very nice. I would definitely stay away from this one. Did Gozsdu Udvar fall through?
 
A couple of points...

The poster who is worried about civil unrest in Budapest needs to take a trip there and see for himself. The protesters outside the parliament building have faded away now that they have realised that the only way to change the government is by voting them out. I spoke today to a friend who is a well known player in that market, and he was in Budapest all week. He told me that all that is to be seen outside the parliament at this point is a small force (12) of policemen, trying to keep warm.

In addition, a growing number of commentators are taking the view that not only has the government emerged stronger from the recent unrest, but that the September riots have actually improved the investor situation in Hungary by highlighting the fact that the government is now taking real action to deal with the budget defecit. Nobody in political life in Hungary wanted to risk losing popularity by biting the bullet on costs, and the opposition tried to capitalise on the fiscal rectitude programme of the administration in the hope that it might provide a short cut to power for them. They were not only wrong, but their strategy has backfired on them and the government is now even stronger than before. The comparisons with the "love ulster" parade in Ireland are valid, the whole issue (as I predicted in previous posts) was very much a storm in a teacup.

Regarding the Vorosmarty project, it seems a little expensive, but not wildly so. Someone else mentioned Godsu Udvar, which was priced at much the same level but which is a much higher rated project that will almost certainly do very well for anyone who got a piece of it. Some stuff left in Godsu if you trawl around, but mostly the attic ones which are not great. I know that a few people grabbed some very nice ones in Godsu in the last few weeks from panic sellers, at launch prices. The parking alone in Godsu has upped by more than 100% since it was bought following the launch. My contact who was there last week advises me that Godsu is running about two months late by his estimate, but that it is going full steam ahead.

For rental value you are much better in the 13th at this point in time, in the streets to the west of the city park. Lots of small developers there, on infill sites with small blocks of apartments that are renting as soon as they are built at about 6 to 7% (minus management fees). Most of the developers in this area are reliable, with maybe one exception, so look around before you buy. This location is very popular with Hungarian renters, and I spoke recently to one local agentwho put up a "for rent" board on an apartment there and was inundated with responses.

One thing is sure, the unrest in September has frightened away quite a few amateur investors, the kind who buy one-off apartments at full price. This has left several developers carrying stuff that they thought they had sold, and they are much easier to talk to now. On the other hand, the big boys are sensing a little extra margin right now in Budapest and are buying quite strongly, so get in fairly quickly if you want to get a bit of an edge.
 
Hi Budapest,

Yes unfortunately after two trips to Budapest over the summer and alot of time spent reading and signing (some) paperwork the people who had originally "bought" (over70% of the costs had been paid) the apartment decided not to pull out.

I will just have to keep looking.

Tnx
 
Agree strongly with don king, anyone contemplating buying in Budapest should PM Budapest.
We contacted him earlier in the year when we were considering buying an apartment in Budapest.
His help and knowledge were invaluable throughout the complete process, from start to finish !!!
We ended up buying a classic renovated apartment in district 5. The complete process is now over with the perfect tenant in situ. We are very happy with the move.
We certainly could not have done it without Budapest.