Upgrade from Clerical Officer to ASO

Clare12

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I have recently been promoted to grade 4, placed on the first LSI of the ASO. I am at the top of clerical officer for more than three years, this means I have moved to the next nearest point on ASO scale plus two more increments. I have been informed by HR I will receive the 2nd LSI in 6 years, should this not be in three years. Would appreciate any advise as I don't seem to be getting anywhere with HR on this.
 

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Hi Clare. Congratulations. By my calculations, you should be entering the GIV scale one increment below the 1st LSI. Circ. 10/71 states; "..where the minimum of the new salary scale is less than existing pay, the officer may enter the new scale at the point nearest but not below existing pay plus one increment..." Based on scales at 1/1/18 that would place you one below the 1st LSI.
 

Clare12

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There is also a condition where someone who is at the top of their scale for three years or more, then they move to the nearest point which is above their current salary plus two increments, this would place me on the first LSI, which is where I have been placed, don't understand why I have to wait 6 years for the next and final Long sevice increment.
 

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I believe that only applies if the minimum of the new scale is greater than the max of the current scale. In the case of GIII to IV, that would not be the case. But, there has been some shifting of sands in PS salary scales lately so I may be wrong. HR should explain this definitively. Slim
 

Clare12

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Thanks for follow up to my post, would you mind elaborating on your last post, is this in reply to my 6 year query or to where I'm placed on the current 4 point, do you think where I'm placed is incorrect,
 

Clare12

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Can anyone direct me to Circular EL 5/67 (section 7). Seemingly this explains the reasoning behind remaining on first LSI for 6 years on promotion to higher grade, I can't for the life of me locate this circular.
 

newtothis

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I don't mean to be rude, but the espression "all Greek to me" springs to mind on reading this thread - what could it all possibly mean? :)
 

Clare12

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I can well understand why you think it's all Greek, why things can't be explained in plain English by HR departments , or at least when referencing circulars, one would have easy access to them online so one can establish how these decisions are arrived at.
P.S. you need to be multilingual to work in the Public Sector. We are a very talented bunch. Hence the reason you don't follow the above.
 
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Slim

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Thanks for follow up to my post, would you mind elaborating on your last post, is this in reply to my 6 year query or to where I'm placed on the current 4 point, do you think where I'm placed is incorrect,
Both. I think you should be placed on the max point of GIV, so you should serve 3 yrs on it, 3 yrs on LSI1, therefore onto LSI2 in 6 yrs. I also cannot locate circular E.L. 5/67 but 34/77 keeps popping up. This has reminded me how complicated and bureaucratic PS circulars are. Your HR people should be able to explain this clearly, though.
 

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My God. We must employ thousands of people to write those circulars alone!! Crazy stuff....
 

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Not many know how points-of-scale/increments are arrived at on an upgrade in the Civil/Public Service. If you think the foregoing is goobledegook then stop reading now because I will confuse you more. (Unions largely appear to ignore the situation).

Let's take a simple promotion or regrading. Starting Position:- Mary is on a point of the scale in the grade she now serves. (i) She is working towards her next increment in the old grade and deserves credit. -Deferred Increment. (ii) It's not a given that future increment awards will be on the date of promotion. (iii) Depending but likely the amount of pay on the new grade will be off-point (i.e. an amount between two points of the new scale). (iv) The next increment will get Mary on a hard point of the new scale, but she will not have to wait a year for this. (v) If Mary has spent 3 years or more on the max of the old scale then the matter is relatively simple and she is awarded the next point or second next point of the new scale and her next increment will be one year after the date of promotion.

In the Public Service there is a mathematical calculation for each upgrade/promotion. Three people in the same grade and being promoted on the same date can have different starting points on promotion. There are factors that must be taken into account e.g. current pay, time of that point of current pay, time worked in the old grade to next increment. In some areas these factors are ignored and the upgraded person is just place on the second next point of the new scale and date of increment = date of promotion.

I'm retired nearly two years, but somewhere I have the terms of calculation of regradings/upgradings/promotions. If I come across them, I'll post more here. The regulations governing are a left-over from the British Post Office (Victorian Times).
 
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