JMexubbanker
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The long wait continues here. Six months now. ! Wonder will we have decision this year?The courts attitude is if it's not published, wait longer. You can't hurry judgments.
Did not see that coming. Agree, it has huge implications going forward.This is the most worrying bit which has implications for a lot of Ombudsman's cases.
Banks will be more likely to appeal unfavourable Ombudsman decisions.
The Court of Appeal said the High Court “ought to have carried out its own analysis of the contractual documents and did not owe the ombudsman any deference in this regard”.
The legislation is clear.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/act/22/enacted/en/print
Section 12
(11) Subject to this Act, the Ombudsman, when dealing with a particular complaint, shall act in an informal manner and according to equity, good conscience and the substantial merits of the complaint without undue regard to technicality or legal form.
Can someone not ask the High Court to complete it's own analysis to see if the contracts have been correctly interrupted?This is the most worrying bit which has implications for a lot of Ombudsman's cases.
Banks will be more likely to appeal unfavourable Ombudsman decisions.
The Court of Appeal said the High Court “ought to have carried out its own analysis of the contractual documents and did not owe the ombudsman any deference in this regard”.
The legislation is clear.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/act/22/enacted/en/print
Section 12
(11) Subject to this Act, the Ombudsman, when dealing with a particular complaint, shall act in an informal manner and according to equity, good conscience and the substantial merits of the complaint without undue regard to technicality or legal form.
Agree totally BrendanThis is the most worrying bit which has implications for a lot of Ombudsman's cases.
Banks will be more likely to appeal unfavourable Ombudsman decisions.
The Court of Appeal said the High Court “ought to have carried out its own analysis of the contractual documents and did not owe the ombudsman any deference in this regard”.
The legislation is clear.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/act/22/enacted/en/print
Section 12
(11) Subject to this Act, the Ombudsman, when dealing with a particular complaint, shall act in an informal manner and according to equity, good conscience and the substantial merits of the complaint without undue regard to technicality or legal form.
I would be very surprised if the FSPO makes a statement.Excellent Article.
Very surprised at so little commentry/discussion on this far reaching Court decision.?. Is the FSPO going to issue any statement?
I haven’t been following this closely, so my view is less valuable than others’. But isn’t it fit and proper that a party’s legal rights can be asserted by the Courts, overriding the previous view of a less formal statutory body? The issue would seem to be the way the Ombudsman’s role has been drafted; it seems a bit loose and folksy, and ultimately most things can and should be capable of challenge in Court.
To the Supreme Court?Unless the FSPO appeals its a dead duck
Yes can be appealed but no automatic right also original HC decision in its favourTo the Supreme Court?
Court of Appeal
The main function of the Court of Appeal is to hear appeals from the High Court and the Circuit Court.www.citizensinformation.ie
when the terms of a contract are unclear its supposed to go against drafter "contra proferentem", also if unclear it would be in breach of unfair terms regulationsI don't really know where the distinction lies.
Contracts are not always crystal clear. So what does a particular tracker wording mean?
1) Tracker contract says "You will get a tracker rate for the duration of your mortgage"
2) You fix the rate and the paperwork says "At the end of the fixed rate we will offer you whatever rates are available".
The Ombudsman said that 1) is clear.
Ulster Bank argued that 2) had varied the contract and so 1) no longer applied.
The Court of Appeal said it was clear that 2) had changed the contract. This was a matter of contract interpretation.
The Central Bank and the Ombudsman have said that any fixed rate paperwork should explicitly state " You are giving up your tracker rate."
Brendan
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