That's a very good point. Labour are in power because many of those who traditionally support the Conservatives voted for Reform.Labour vote only up 1.7% (31.2 to 33.9) - considering the self destruction of the Tories, that has to be seen as a failure.
That's a very good point. Labour are in power because many of those who traditionally support the Conservatives voted for Reform.
They had alot bigger problems in 2019 with corbyn and the large anti semitism element in the party , starmer has largely wiped that away, if he loses a bit of Muslim support in the process so be it, he has gained alot more than he has lostLabour still have internal issues to resolve, Corbyn not gone away and they did struggle in strong Muslim areas over their Palestine/Israel policies and lost at least 4 seats over that and came close to losing more, especially in East London. .
Strangely under Corbyn in 2019 Labour amassed over 600,000 more votes than Starmer did this time albeit there was a smaller turnout this time .They had alot bigger problems in 2019 with corbyn and the large anti semitism element in the party , starmer has largely wiped that away, if he loses a bit of Muslim support in the process so be it, he has gained alot more than he has lost
Yeah, when you look at actual votes cast it is very different picture.Strangely under Corbyn in 2019 Labour amassed over 600,000 more votes than Starmer did this time albeit there was a smaller turnout this time .
Farage and Reform undoubtedly were the reason behind Labour’s landslide win - God bless them !
maybe, but in the UK it seems to be keeping the extremists out of power unlike whats happening on the continent. It is the consevatives, labour and liberals that control the levers of power still.You would have to question the first past the post electoral system if 33% of the vote wins you 63% of the seats.
Well Farage and the Brexiteers are really English nationalists and not unionists at all. But, as I argue in post #10 Brexit has made Scottish independence a non runner - the SNP are redundant.The wipeout of the SNP in scotland to be replaced largely by the labour party is also noteworthy. In fact the success of the labour party is actually making the union stronger whereas farage and the brexiteers were making it weaker
they were saying that starmer was a hard leftist in his 20s but obviously now he is a moderate centrist that has pulled labour back from the extremes of corbynism. Its interesting though that the UK has moved back to the moderate left whereas many of its continental peers are moving to the right and even hard right.I would say maybe 4% of Reform are Labour leavers, so possibly a 6% increase in their vote share on a like for like basis.
Anyway Starmer is Tory lite or possibly an AI version of Blair.
But the same themes are at play, notably fears about immigration. Labour have won this by default and ironically because of Brexit. As I said Brexit has delivered them a lorry load of Scottish seats but more significantly the hard-right leavers of Reform together with disenchanted Red Wall leavers have decimated the Tories. @odyssey06 et al are right - this is not a landslide for Labour but an implosion for Tories/SNP.they were saying that starmer was a hard leftist in his 20s but obviously now he is a moderate centrist that has pulled labour back from the extremes of corbynism. Its interesting though that the UK has moved back to the moderate left whereas many of its continental peers are moving to the right and even hard right.
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