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Hmmmmm! Is there no overlap? Strict dividing lines? Surely if these fellows are attracted to "a feminine like prepubescent form", then it would be as easy to access that perversion with the real objects of their desires - young girls. These people are overwhelmingly abusers of young boys, so most paedophilia is in some way related to same sex activity. Have a look at the numbers. Maybe not PC but there you are.You are incorrect. Paedophilia is a perversion of heterosexuality. Homosexual men are attracted to the male form. Child abusing men who target little boys are attracted to a feminine like pre-pubescent form. It is an aberration independent of sexual orientation.
i understand the point you make about the church having a certin influance over th state....how much influance is a matter of opinion, but you have understand that this is a catholic country, the vasy of majority of people on this island are roman chatolic,so therefore the chatolic church are always going to have som influance over the state...thats just the way the world works! i doubt it would be any different in say a muslim country ect, the only way things might change is if every chatolic in ireland decided to 'jump ship' and join some new religion..dont think thats going to happen any time soon! but lets just say it did happen....how long do you think it take before this new shiny happy religion also has some influance over the state?
but thats what comes of living in a roman catholic country!
you are probably right, i dont get too wound up about it myself as it dosent really affect me one way or the other! but the fact is that their has always been a 'lets say...comfortable relationship between church and state here, i cant see that changing any time soon, so its probably best to just try and live with it. noting in life is ever perfect!The point is I shouldn't have to lump it and live with it. No purely belief based system should have an influence on State policy of any kind.
So those of us who are opposed to any religion, those of different faiths, must accept that to live in Ireland your life is influenced by the moral code of one and one only religious order?
That the education of my children and my health care are at the influence of a group of individuals with a dubious grasp of what true morality and ethics are really about?
If I don't like the current government I can vote them out. I can't get rid of a group of people who hold views on humanity so diametrically opposed to my own and (I feel) the majority of others in this state.
By the Constitution, the government acts and concedes authority to God. They run the country on the basis of the Trinity. In order for them to operate we have to have faith in a Supreme Being (who's all against women priests but a bit hazy on dealing with child abuse), a Jewish white skinned, blonde haired, illegitimate, zombie, native of the Middle East (where in the recent past mothers of illigitimate children have been subjected to the most horrendous abuse at the hands of the Church) and a Holy Ghost of no real fixed definition or tangible presence.
The point is I shouldn't have to lump it and live with it. No purely belief based system should have an influence on State policy of any kind.
Wouldn't that suggest then that the will isn't there to challenge the 'influence' If there was a large number of people that held your views and were as clearly riled by the perception of said influence then surely something could be done.
No it suggests that we have a general election and the whole nation gets to partake if they wish. We don't get the same choice. When the issue is put to the population regarding church influence in the form of referendums, aside from the abortion vote, all others have shown majority support against CC core values.
But then it's a nice diversion for the apologists and the OP about a very rich private men's club (who do the occasional ceremonial open day) confirming that their God without question detests the notion of women preaching to and teaching men, but is only moderately concerned about the morals of child abuse and just how you go about reporting those cases...eventually.
Though I suppose the clarity is that if they are to both receive the same "punishment" that means those who ordain female priests will be moved from parish to parish, country to country to ordain women again.
It's kind of hard not to bring child abuse into it, whether it be the rape or the likes of Goldenbridge. First because in this case the Church brought in the issue of sex offenders themselves, so it was always going to be discussed, and second because it's a pretty major issue. Not just the cases but the cover up and the continued web of secrecy around it. I would argue that this is more a criminal matter than lack of slick PR. I'm sorry if it upsets Catholics to have it repeated, but it's there it's part of the history of the CC here and in other countries. As much as it may sting, people will need to get used to it because it is fair and justifiable to mention, mention it often and never let people forget what has happened and how little justice was served.
it's religion though... Childish, silly nonsense. I don't really understand why anyone in this day and age continues to take this stuff seriously.
+1. At the time I thought she was mad but now I feel that I should write her an apology.While I have not been a fan of the Catholic Church now for many years I thought Sinead O'Connor was somewhat over the top at the time of this .......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYw8JR1N90o
...but it seems prophetic now
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