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An ecellent point and very well said. But tell that to the majority of pundit/protreaty politicians on the radio/tv to day. They still dont get it.
The main parties in the state have spent quite a considerable wad of cash in trying to convince us to vote yes. People are rarely happy to leap into the unknown and that campaign should have been directed at convincing them, instead it was directed at insinuating that only a fool would vote no. Well many people would be happier being a fool who knows where they stand than a fool who doesn't know. Not all media was pro-treaty, there was a considerable drive from the British owned media in particular against the treaty. Not all information was in favour of a yes vote or was comprehensible to all. The yes campaign lost on the demerits of their campaign not on the idiocy of the voters.
if you hear the yes side now giving their reasons why people voted no. It is pathetic everything from the murdach press to unfounded fears over abortion. Basically there are those in the political estabilshment who do not trust ordinary people. they think ordinary people are Sun reading morons. they just cannot comprehend that people looked at this treaty and came to an informed discision. Which was A big NOOOOOO. And then they wanted ordinary people to swallow the line "trust us we know this is right for you" without effectively telling them why it was right. This sends a clear message to politicans
Dont treat ordinary people like morans.
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Hardly surprising people voted no on account of not understanding the treaty eh?
An ecellent point and very well said. But tell that to the majority of pundit/protreaty politicians on the radio/tv to day. They still dont get it.
...Dont treat ordinary people like morans....
I believe that the arrogance epitomised by Barroso saying that the ratification process would continue gives all the reason you need for rejection. The legalalities say that the ratification of the treaty must be unanimous or the treaty falls. The result of the Irish referendum means that ratification of the treaty cannot be unanimous, so the implication of his statement is that Ireland's vote does not matter.
God bless Ireland!
Hmm, or that other European countries have the same rights as we do to consider this treaty? Why should we be the only ones to determine the future direction of Europe?
I've known several Morans and they aren't all morons
This ground has been covered already.
In order for the Treaty to pass our constitution would have to have been changed.
That can only be done by the people of Ireland not the politicians or any other countries politicians.
And most important it is our constitution not Europes
all EU countries decided that all would have have to ratify the treaty in order for the treaty to move forward. this was aggreed opon before this vote. Now it has not gone the way of europe their going to move on with Lisbon anyway. Another example of why Europe cannot be trusted to act on its own rules. Any wonder there was a no vote.
We have no right to block the other 26 states from proceeding with the reforms contained in the Lisbon treaty.
It's still not reasonable for one country to stop everyone else whatever was agreed originally.
Is it democratic that 54% of 45% of 1% can call the shots?
Is it democratic that 54% of 45% of 1% can call the shots?
Is it democratic that only 1% gets the opportunity to vote? We now know that the Irish people disagree with it's politicians on the issue, who is to say the same doesn't apply in some or many of the countries that already ratified by parliamentary votes?
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