First of all the lisbon treaty gives great significant to issues like competition and liberalisation of public services.
Privitisation of health will lead to vast swathes of poor people not being able to afford health care. If you think thats morally right good luck to you. then again morality has nothing to do with the business ethic.
Interesting article from Alan Ruddick in the sindo which i want to quote one particularly good point
The great and the good know what's best for us, and we should just trust them and move on. Well I can't. I do not trust them. I cannot stand being patronised, threatened, bullied and lied to, all at the same time, especially when the people doing the bullying have not bothered to read and understand the very document that they are trying to ram down my throat. That is reason enough to vote No, and it is why so many people have turned against the Lisbon Treaty in the past few weeks. We are being browbeaten, and we do not like it.
The Sunday Times proudly boasts today that it alone of all the papers supports No. It, somewhat prematurely, gloats at its victory "against all odds". Sorry, but no way does Rupert Murdoch have Ireland's best interests at heart.
groups like the round table of industrialists have had a significant input into this treaty. Their agenda is privitisation of public services.In no way does the Lisbon Treaty seek to foist the privatisation of public services on this country.
Sounds like yet more scaremongering on behalf of a No vote to me.
Bullying? browbeaten?
So that was you. I said No coz I thought you were some sort of crazed Shinner.Was up in Dun laoghaire today and spoke to a man from People before profit, they are voting no. So I decided to have a poll of my own. I asked 20 random people which way they were going to vote, the result was, 16 no and 4 yes. (half of the no's were don't know but are swaying the no way) It makes for an interesting week.
To drag the debate off to talk about "swathes of poor people not being able to afford health care" because of Lisbon is just ridiculous.
Why so? Lissbon will promote privitisation of health care. Privitisation has been shown to benifit the rich and disadvantage the poor. That is a fact. In Ireland a two tier system is developing in health care already. The american system mainly privitised leads to millions not being able to afford basic health care and this is the way Europe is going. IS that what we really want? it is a moral decision. Do you favour a europe which cares about the poor or do you believe in the power of the free market to give us social justice.
French minister warns of 'No' treaty vote
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0609/eulisbon.html
'The first victims would be the Irish.'
Why so? Lissbon will promote privitisation of health care. Privitisation has been shown to benifit the rich and disadvantage the poor. That is a fact. In Ireland a two tier system is developing in health care already.
If the European bigwigs keep threatening us, they will merely undermine the Yes vote.
To demonise this proposal as privatisation of health care is imho either dishonest or misguided
have you read the aspects of the treaty i quoted that promotes the further liberilisation of public services. So im sorry this is not a red herring. YEs Harney is going down the privitisation route and liberalistion of health care provision will with in the treaty make it a much smoother process.
Firstly Lisbon does not promote the privatisation of health care. Secondly it is up to the government of this country to regulate how private healthcare is delivered. If they do wish they can impose a system which requires private hospitals to treat public patients. If private healthcare disadvantages the poor that is the fault of the government for setting and/or enforcing the rules badly, it is not the fault of those who operate within the system which the government has established.Why so? Lissbon will promote privitisation of health care. Privitisation has been shown to benifit the rich and disadvantage the poor. That is a fact. In Ireland a two tier system is developing in health care already. The american system mainly privitised leads to millions not being able to afford basic health care and this is the way Europe is going. IS that what we really want? it is a moral decision..
Western democracies, without exception, allow the free market to operate and then use taxation to redistribute wealth and provide social services. You suggest that the free market and social justice are mutually exclusive when in fact the wealth generated by a free market is essential for social justice. BTW, the free market is an artificial construct and can only exist when government is stronger than the market. That’s why America has anti-trust legislation and the EU can force Microsoft to change the way it sells its products.Do you favour a europe which cares about the poor or do you believe in the power of the free market to give us social justice
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