Do you think that the so-called "higher professions" do not operate restrictive practices?
It's the employers who impose the condition on staff they recruit (albeit at the request of the union).
Do you think that the so-called "higher professions" do not operate restrictive practices?
Nope, I’m sure that the bearded brethren would like to have it that way so that they can leech off even more people trying to make a living but thankfully we still have some freedoms in this country.I thought that to join a trade union you had to prove that you were time served?
I was merely pointing out the huge advantages of being in a strongly unionised work force from my point of view and indeed from the point of view of my colleagues in terms of enhancing and protecting terms and conditions.Deiseblue, You were lucky not to have someone like Devoy in your Union, a person that would "bring the country down to get money for his workers" Treason is not to be admired ! That guy is a dinosaur and should be extinct. Don't be fooled by his assertion that 93% of electricians balloted for strike, many many electricainas were not balloted, these were counted as yes , but thousands of these guys are continuing to work. Also many ECA firms & AECI firms employ non union sparks, it is illegal to refuse someone employment if they are not in a union.
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I was merely pointing out the huge advantages of being in a strongly unionised work force from my point of view and indeed from the point of view of my colleagues in terms of enhancing and protecting terms and conditions.
It now appears that the question of a 10% decrease in pay has been dropped by the contactors and hopefully a compromise can now be reached at the LRC although it does appear that some sort of pay increase will have to be negotiated before the TEEU will settle.
I have no reason to distrust the TEEU's assertion that they have a huge mandate for strike action.
I would far prefer to be represented by Mr. Eamon Devoy then by Tom Parlon whose industrial relation skills need a bit of polishing !
Nor should we forget who Mr. Parlon represents - the sector who contributed so much to our economic downturn by their avarice.
But that’s what vested interest groups in general, and unions in particular, are all about; screwing someone else so that their members get a larger slice of the cake.
Unions are simply there to enhance where possible the terms and conditions of it's members and in more difficult times to endeavour to protect such terms and conditions as mandated by their members.There are huge advantages for those in the union just as there are huge advantages for those in the mafia. The problem is that someone else has to pay for those advantages. In the case of the Public and Civil Service it’[s the general tax payer. In the case of those in the banks who enjoyed DB pensions it’s the customers who pay higher charges and the newer employees who get paid less so that the banks can fund the gargantuan DB pension funds. In the case of the electricians it’s the other building workers who are getting paid up to 50% less than a few years ago and now can’t even get into work and the many hundreds of building workers who will lose their jobs over the next few weeks because of the strike.
But that’s what vested interest groups in general, and unions in particular, are all about; screwing someone else so that their members get a larger slice of the cake.
im just worried when this is over, how the manufacturing companies and their headquarters are going to look at this. How they can be impacted by something they have no controll over. Especially how they can use this against Ireland as place to do biz and give them excuses to leave or not invest more.
Unions are simply there to enhance where possible the terms and conditions of it's members and in more difficult times to endeavour to protect such terms and conditions as mandated by their members.
You would presumably agree that the Construction sector as a vested interest group have royally screwed the country to a degree unequalled by any other vested interest group and with the Banks aided by a light legislative hand have deepened our recession ?
Still it's good to see you realise that there are huge advantages in being a union member although your comparison with the mafia would be better applied to our Banks and Developers !
Prior to retiring from my job in the Financial Services sector I was a member of a Trade Union.
I worked a 35 hour week , any time worked after that was paid as overtime.
I enjoyed 30 days leave annually.
Pay increases under the various National wage agreements were always honoured including the 3.5% payable late last year under the current agreement towards 2016.
I always had the comfort of knowing that the union would protect our interests in the event of terms and conditions being challenged.
I was able to retire at the age of 52 with a pension equal to approx 55% of my final salary together with a substantial lump sum.
I appreciate how lucky I am but equally realise that the benefits I enjoy now and indeed when I worked were due to being part of a strongly unionised workforce.
A minority view I would have thought !The Construction sector didn’t screw up the country, the government and Social(ist) Partners did. They created an economically suicidal environment which the construction sector reacted to. Every individual who sold their own home to the highest bidder during this period was just as much part of the problem. The core problem was that the government didn’t govern and so the vested interest groups, be they CONGRESS (ictu), IBEC, the CIF, the Banks, CORI, SIPTU etc were given an almost free hand to carve up the country.
The Mafia analogy is sound; if I, upon attempting to move my accounts from Bank of Ireland to AIB, was told that I could not do so as there was an agreement between the banks not to take each other’s customers then it might apply to them. But it wouldn’t happen so the analogy doesn’t fit.
The Mafia is also there to protect the interests of its members (“made man” rather than “Comrades”) to the detriment of the rest of the general population.
I sold a house in the last 5 years. I sold it to the highest bidder. The reason that the highest bidder could bid so much is because the government failed to manage the economy properly and allowed cheap money to wash over us like a tsunami. Should I have sold to a lower bidder because I knew that we were in a credit fuelled property bubble? If the answer is no then why should anyone else?A minority view I would have thought !
It appears to me that the general concensus is that the sectors that deepened our economy were the Banking and Construction sectors with the construction sector displaying a level of avarice equalled only by the enthusiasm displayed by the lightly regulated Banks to lend them funds to sustain their greed.
I would be banned if I expressed my opinions on Anglo-Irish and it’s board.Anglo Irish does'nt smack of Mafia type behaviour to you ?
And I merely pointed out the impact that has on your fellow citizens who are not in the club.As I say I merely pointed out the benefits of being in a strongly unionised workforce and how fortunate I was to be a union member !
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