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I started a pension in 1999 and I am currently starting research to see if it makes sense to switch to a pension provider with lower fees and perhaps better potential. I have asked my current provider for all fees and other figures. I am starting to read all the content on askaboutmoney for ideas. Does any one have ideas on how to research this move and possible new pension providers to consider.
 
I have got a lot of useful info on this web site, especially the list on sourcing the cheapest PRSA. At the moment I am looking at Irish Life or Eagle Star. Hopefully I will get either a 0%/1% (moving down to 0.85%) or else a 0%/0.75%. I am waiting to see what funds are available in both cases and the performance of these funds recently.
 
I am waiting to see what funds are available in both cases

In relation to Irish Life PRSA fund choices bear in mind what was said in the context of . You may be able to get a better idea of the fund selection available in both cases from their websites.

and the performance of these funds recently.

Don't forget that past performance is no guide to future returns.

I personally would recommend checking with multi-agency intermediary [broken link removed] to see what he can offer as I am a satisfied customer who met up with him through AAM.
 
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Clubman, Thanks for this reply

I was thinking that Irish Life consensus funds might be too cautious for someone 22 years from retirement.

I know past performance is no reflection of the future but at least it is something to base a decision on.

Have you any thoughs on Eagle Star funds? I'll check out your other recommendation as well.
 
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Have you any thoughs on Eagle Star funds?

In what respect? I know that it's possible to get less than 5%/1% on their PRSAs. For what it's worth I am currently investing in them myself right now so I hope they're the best! :) But seriously don't assume that my choice of these represents any sort of major insight into them other than the fact that I'm happy enough with the charges on my PRSA (sub 5%/1%), the selection of funds availaible to me (I'm currently 100% in their Dynamic Pension Fund - 75%-100% equity content) and Eagle Star's administrative performance and general solidity as a company. Other than that I just make the contributions and leave the markets (and Eagle Star's fund managers) to do their job and hopefully generate growth. We'll see how I've done in a few decade's time! :)
 
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A good feature of the Eagle Star PRSA and indeed any Eagle Star policies that you may hold, you have the facility to log onto their secure website to check current fund performance, current fund value and even an estimated future value. This way you can keep a close look on your PRSA to see how the fund is performing.

I have no connection with Eagle Star, just someone who uses this feature myself!
 
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Yeah it's handy but some people might also like if it provided fund switching capabilities online. Not me though - don't fancy daytrading my pension savings! :)
 
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I got my details from my current pension provider today. I've been paying monthly for 6 years and the current value of my pension is 101% of what I paid in. I have a 1% total gain over 6 years. I know there was a stock market wobble and fees were taken out in year 1, etc, but can I assume this is a poor performance?
 
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What charges were/are levied on your contributions?
 
Hi, I recently used a free service at myadviser.ie where if you tell them the charges on your pension plan they will tell you the commission you are paying and show you the types of alternative deals - i'm not sure what I will do. Have any of you used this service? As my fund is over 30,000 it would seem I can get bonuses on moving it rather than entry costs - can this be true?
 
I checked my current charges. They are quite confusing. The person on the other end of the line was confused too. I pay a 0.75% annual management fee. I pay 2.80 per month on the monthly amount (although a month ago a different operator said this was 5.80/month). 104% of my monthly amount is invested but there is a 5% bid/offer spread so 99% approx is invested? Again the operator said this is over-simplfying the charges.

I have a 'With profits' fund of 4%. I was informed this means I have a guaranteed increase in the pension value of 4% regardless of stock market performance. Can this be correct?

I am still temped to switch to Eagle Start PRSA - mainly because it seems to be progressing well currently. The charges will also be more clear. It seems to be a choice between a steady 'with profits' fund or something with more upside exposure (and downside!). Later on I should move back to a more steady fund.
 
cavanman said:
I checked my current charges. They are quite confusing.

Do you have any documentation from when you took out the pension? If so this documentation should enumerate all charges in detail.

The person on the other end of the line was confused too. I pay a 0.75% annual management fee.

An annual management fee of 0.75% levied on the full value of the fund and reflected in the daily unit price is not unusual or exorbitant. In fact it is at the lower end of the scale as far as I know since annual management charges of 1% and higher are not unusual.

I pay 2.80 per month on the monthly amount (although a month ago a different operator said this was 5.80/month).

Again a monthly policy fee of this amount is not unusual. Note that this is charged even if you stop making contributions to your fund.

104% of my monthly amount is invested but there is a 5% bid/offer spread so 99% approx is invested?

104% x 95% = 98.8% so your are effectively losing 1.2% of each contribution between the allocation rate of 104% and the bid/offer spread of 5%.

Again the operator said this is over-simplfying the charges.

Ask them for the charges in writing if you don't already have the documentation mentioned above.

I have a 'With profits' fund of 4%. I was informed this means I have a guaranteed increase in the pension value of 4% regardless of stock market performance. Can this be correct?

Possibly but you should check if it is, in fact, guaranteed. Bear in mind that With Profits funds (pension or otherwise) are often not that transparent in terms of additional charges and day to day valuations. For example the 4% return may only be guaranteed under certain conditions and may or may not be reflected in the current valuation. Also - the 1% gain over 6 years that you mentioned earlier may not tell the full story about stuff like With Profit guaranteed/non guaranteed/terminal/maturity bonuses which may or may not be included in the current valuation.

With Profits funds are also generally at the lower end of the risk/reward scale and may not be suitable in all cases for people with a good while to go to retirement. They aim to smooth out underlying fluctuations in asset values and deliver, within constraints, certain capital and growth guarantees. The cost of this is usually lower actual growth over time compared to a more pure equity investment which will have a higher risk/reward profile and exhibit more volatility in value along the way.

Perhaps you might be better off with something at the other end of the risk/reward scale. Why did you choose a With Profits pension fund in the first place and this one in particular? Not saying that there's anything wrong with it per se but just wondering what your motivation/criteria were in selecting it.

I am still temped to switch to Eagle Start PRSA - mainly because it seems to be progressing well currently. The charges will also be more clear. It seems to be a choice between a steady 'with profits' fund or something with more upside exposure (and downside!). Later on I should move back to a more steady fund.

While the charges may be clearer there is no guarantee that they will be lower than what you currently pay - in fact a Standard PRSA charging the maximum 5% on each contribution and 1% annual management fee would presumably be charging more than you are currently paying. On the other hand it is possible to get lower Standard PRSA charges than the max 5%/1%. Apart from charges make sure that other stuff like choice of funds/investment strategy, customer service etc. meet your needs. Don't get mislead by past performance since it is no guide to future returns.
 
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