DylanWilko111
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Hi PaulNote that all of the mainstream lenders gave 30 days' grace (and PTSB gave 90 days) when they increased their rates over recent months. That is to say, anybody who received a letter of offer from the lender before they increased their rates was allowed 30 more days to draw down at the old rate. But there is no guarantee that the credit union will do the same.
Did the credit union talk about needing to have your mortgage protection policy re-assigned from PTSB to them? I believe that it is the credit union's responsibility to contact the insurance company to instruct them to re-assign the life policy.
Did they mention needing to have their interest noted on your home insurance?
Try to pin them down on this if you can.
Update; The Credit Union will issue the Letter of Offer to their solicitor tomorrow and they’ve agreed to give me 90 days to get the drawdown completed under its terms (3.2%). So the race is on!Note that all of the mainstream lenders gave 30 days' grace (and PTSB gave 90 days) when they increased their rates over recent months. That is to say, anybody who received a letter of offer from the lender before they increased their rates was allowed 30 more days to draw down at the old rate. But there is no guarantee that the credit union will do the same.
Did the credit union talk about needing to have your mortgage protection policy re-assigned from PTSB to them? I believe that it is the credit union's responsibility to contact the insurance company to instruct them to re-assign the life policy.
Did they mention needing to have their interest noted on your home insurance?
Try to pin them down on this if you can.
Your break fee is almost certainly still zero.Selling house and have new loan offer from AIB on a new property. Requested breakage fee in Aug 22 and AIB confirmed it was zero. With increases in fixed rates since then does this affect the breakage fee ? Have chased AIB for this but have not had reply yet and came across this thread.
Can you explain what you mean here? AIB never operate through brokers, as far as I know.Did you use a broker when you took out your current mortgage? Yes
Hi Paul,Your break fee is almost certainly still zero.
Can you explain what you mean here? AIB never operate through brokers, as far as I know.
Ah, I understand, thanks. AIB don't deal with brokers now but I guess they did in the past.I used IMB back in 2008 for this as far as I remember. They were based on Pearse Street in Dublin 2 at the time.
@Clueless lady Your break fee should be zero at the moment – but confirm it with AIB. If it is higher than zero, please post it here when you receive it, including the date of the letter.1.Current lender is AIB
2. I have €169,642.39 left on my mortgage
3. I only fixed at 3 years, I was a first time buyer
4.BER is C3
5.House was purchased for €200,000 and I got the revalue today and it is €345,000
6. No cashback due from current lender
7.I did not use a broker when I took it out.
8. I am coming off a 2.55% rate and was paying €751.94 a month
9. I am the only one paying the mortgage.
10. 25 years left on mortgage.
@Kant Because you are on a variable-rate mortgage, you do not have to pay a break fee.
- Current lender - Finance Ireland
- If your current lender is Permanent TSB, was your mortgage transferred to them from Ulster Bank? NO
- Outstanding mortgage balance (how much you still owe) 218,000
- Approximate current value of your property 530,000
- The date you started your fixed-rate mortgage (month and year) Jan 2017
- How many years you fixed for 3
- Your current mortgage interest rate 5.75%
- Your current monthly repayment (excluding any overpayments) 1500
- Your property's BER (Building Energy Rating) – check it here or estimate it if necessary Don't know - probably C something
- Are you due to get extra cashback from your current lender in the future, e.g., "1% after 5 years", or "2% cashback monthly"? If so, how much (monetary amount) and when? NO
- Did you use a broker when you took out your current mortgage? Yes
Fantastic thanks so much for your help.@Clueless lady Your break fee should be zero at the moment – but confirm it with AIB. If it is higher than zero, please post it here when you receive it, including the date of the letter.
- Switching immediately to Permanent TSB's 5-year fixed rate (3.6% with €3,392 initial cashback and 2% monthly cashback) will save you about €5,680 over the next 4 years
- Note that Permanent TSB's interest rates have usually been much higher than other lenders over the past several years. If this pattern continues, switching to Permanent TSB will cost you a lot more than a cheaper lender over the long term (even accounting for the cashback)
- So if you switch to them now, you may want to switch again to another lender in the future, which will incur costs (and it might be impossible to switch if your financial situation has deteriorated)
- Switching immediately to Permanent TSB's 7-year fixed rate (3.8% with €3,392 initial cashback and 2% monthly cashback) will save you about €4,380 over the next 4 years – but with the longer security of 7 years on a fixed rate
- The same warnings as above regarding higher Permanent TSB rates in the future apply
- Switching immediately to Avant Money's 4-year fixed rate (3.4% with no cashback) will save you about €3,060 over the next 4 years
- Switching immediately to Bank of Ireland's 5-year fixed rate (4.0% with €3,392 cashback) will save you about €2,520 over the next 4 years
- Note that Bank of Ireland discriminate between new and existing customers, i.e., their best rates are not available to existing customers
- So if you switch to them now, you will not be eligible to switch to one of their low rates in the future and you will end up on a higher interest rate. When that happens, you may want to switch again to another lender, which will incur costs (and it might be impossible to switch if your financial situation has deteriorated).
- Switching immediately to Avant Money's 5-year fixed rate (3.65% with no cashback) will save you about €1,400 over the next 4 years
- Switching immediately to Bank of Ireland's 10-year fixed rate (4.3% with €3,392 cashback) will save you about €520 over the next 4 years – but with the longer security of 10 years on a fixed rate
- The same warnings as above regarding higher Bank of Ireland rates in the future apply
- Switching immediately to AIB's 4-year fixed rate (4.05% with no cashback) will save you about €320 over the next 4 years. And it is very simple and quick to do (no bank statements, salary cert or solicitor, etc., needed).
- Switching immediately to AIB's 5-year fixed rate (4.1% with no cashback) will not cost you or save you anything over the next 4 years. But it is very simple and quick to do (no bank statements, salary cert or solicitor, etc., needed).
- Switching immediately to Avant Money's 7-year fixed rate (3.95% with no cashback) will leave you worse off by about €580 over the next 4 years – but with the longer security of 7 years on a fixed rate
- Switching immediately to AIB's 7-year fixed rate (4.25% with no cashback) will leave you worse off by about €1,000 over the next 4 years – but with the longer security of 7 years on a fixed rate. And it is very simple and quick to do (no bank statements, salary cert or solicitor, etc., needed).
- Switching immediately to AIB's 10-year fixed rate (4.4% with no cashback) will leave you worse off by about €2,000 over the next 4 years – but with the longer security of 10 years on a fixed rate. And it is very simple and quick to do (no bank statements, salary cert or solicitor, etc., needed).
- Switching immediately to Avant Money's "One Mortgage" (a 4.3% fixed rate with no cashback) will leave you worse off by about €2,900 over the next 4 years – and the interest rate will be fixed for the remainder of your mortgage term (approximately 26 years)
These savings estimates use for comparison the scenario of switching to a 4.1% rate with AIB when the current fixed rate ends. (Based on what you wrote, I'm assuming that your fixed rate will end very soon.) The estimates also account for any fees (solicitors' fees, valuation fee) that you have to pay and any cashback offered by the above lenders.
All of Avant's rates allow you to avoid any potential break fee if you move home in the future (as long as you take out a new mortgage with them, and subject to certain conditions).
Bear in mind that the interest rates of some lenders are very likely to rise between now and the time that you complete any switch, so if you are thinking of switching you should apply simultaneously to two or more lenders for approval in principle (AIP).
Dates of the most-recent interest rate increases:
Even though it is usually quick to re-fix with your current lender, it is still possible for rates to rise while you are in the middle of the process, which could potentially leave you worse off than if you had done nothing. Ask AIB if they will guarantee today's rates for you if you start the process of re-fixing with them.
- AIB and Haven: 2nd February 2023 (fixed rates), 25th November 2022 and 14th October 2022
- Bank of Ireland: 24th January 2023 and 10th November 2022
- Permanent TSB: 13th January 2023 and 18th November 2022
- Avant: 8th December 2022, 15th August 2022 and 16th May 2022
- EBS: 25th November 2022 and 14th October 2022
If you use a broker and they tell you that your mortgage balance is too low to switch, find another broker.
Yes, usually you need to have been with your current lender for at least 12 months before a new lender will take you. See this thread for more info:Silly question, but are there restrictions from switching back and forth to lenders, I didn't realise that.
Ah I see. Thanks so much for you letting time and effort. This is a great help.Yes, usually you need to have been with your current lender for at least 12 months before a new lender will take you. See this thread for more info:
How long must you be with an existing lender before switching?
Update May 2022 - Brendan These are guidelines. It seems that some people got different answers. Avant : 12 months Finance Ireland - no minimum time ICS: 6 months PTSB require you to be 12 months with previous lender (previously it was 2 years) BofI require you to be 12 months with previous...www.askaboutmoney.com
In any case, switching very frequently would probably wipe out any savings that you would otherwise have made because switching costs about €1,500 in fees.
@lola1979 Your break fee should be zero at the moment – but it is volatile because wholesale interest rates are volatile, so confirm it with EBS. If it is higher than zero, please post it here when you receive it, including the date of the letter.
- Current lender - EBS
- If your current lender is Permanent TSB, was your mortgage transferred to them from Ulster Bank? NO
- Outstanding mortgage balance (how much you still owe) 102,000 matures in April 2035
- Approximate current value of your property 420,000
- The date you started your fixed-rate mortgage (month and year) Nov 2018
- How many years you fixed for 5
- Your current mortgage interest rate 3%
- Your current monthly repayment (excluding any overpayments) 837
- Your property's BER (Building Energy Rating) – check it here or estimate it if necessary Don't know - probably B or C something
- Are you due to get extra cashback from your current lender in the future, e.g., "1% after 5 years", or "2% cashback monthly"? If so, how much (monetary amount) and when? NO
- Did you use a broker when you took out your current mortgage? No
Variable rates in Ireland have been higher than fixed rates for the last several years. Some variable rates are currently lower than fixed rates but there is no guarantee that that will continue.if we switch should we go fixed or variable?
I actually just got off the phone with Permanent TSB and their rates are going up from today.Ah I see. Thanks so much for you letting time and effort. This is a great help.
@Kant @lola1979 Bear this in mind if you were thinking of switching to PTSB – their rates have gone up 0.75% compared to the rates I gave in my above posts.I actually just got off the phone with Permanent TSB and their rates are going up from today.
@Kant @lola1979 Bear this in mind if you were thinking of switching to PTSB – their rates have gone up 0.75% compared to the rates I gave in my above posts.
ptsb increasing fixed rates by 0.75%
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0307/1360813-ptsb-to-increase-new-fixed-mortgage-rates-by-0-75/ PTSB said any customers who have received an offer letter that is based on the existing fixed rates it is currently offering will have until June 2nd to complete the drawdown of the loan at...www.askaboutmoney.com
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