Strategic transfer of pension overseas

SGWidow

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This possibility came up on a different thread (thanks Gordon Gekko) and I don't want to bring that thread off topic.

On the face of it, this seems like an interesting option. Does anyone know where I can get reliable information on this please?

Has anyone actually gone through the process? Are there specialist firm advising on this?
 
I transferred my own pension to Malta in January of this year and set out my analysis of the issues here which includes a link to my guide on International Pension transfers from Ireland.


Marc Westlake CFP®, TEP, APFS, EFP ,QFA
CHARTERED, CERTIFIED & EUROPEAN FINANCIAL PLANNER™ professional
AND REGISTERED TRUST & ESTATE PRACTITIONER
 
Wow - thank you, Marc. I wasn't expecting a reply so quickly and I seem to have received the a, b, c, d, e and f of all this. Thank you so much. I will try to assimilate all the info over the next while.

Some initial questions....

If I had waived my tax free lump sump from a previous employer in Ireland and I transfer my pension value to Malta, does the prohibition on the tax free lump sum remain?

Another question - how "secure" is Malta - like would my money be safe?

One for the road - in your case, are you saying that if you remain in Ireland and withdraw money from Malta and place it in your UK bank account - then the money has gone full circle except that the once-attaching tax in payment no longer applies so long as you dont bring the money to Ireland?
 
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Very Interesting, could you similarly transfer a UK or US pension to Malta? Is there a threshold (pension pot) amount in which you are below you would consider it not worth while to transfer?
 
A couple of points here

The transfer must be "“for bona fide reasons and is not primarily for the purpose of circumventing pensions tax legislation and Revenue rules”.

Surely looking to circumvent a signed lump sum waiver form isn't a bona fide transfer and my firm certainly wouldn't entertain a transfer on that basis.

Security

Malta is subject to the same EU regulations as Ireland and therefore isn't less "safe" just because it is further away.
My Pension trustee is part of an international group with 125 offices worldwide and my independent custodian has global client assets in excess of $2 Trillion so, yes, I'd say its secure.

Residence and Domicile

Planning (for non-Irish domiciled but Irish resident investors) see here



How big does your pension need to be?

No hard and fast rules on this as in all things, it depends on circumstances.
 
Hi Marc,

Is this about transferring a UK pension via IRL to Malta?

Is there anything about transferring Irish DC pot to Malta?
 
The guide only deals with the issues associated with an Irish pension to Malta.


The U.K. leg is a separate set of issues
 
Ah, I see there is a charge. I get loads of these offers. Thanks anyway. R
 
The transfer must be "“for bona fide reasons and is not primarily for the purpose of circumventing pensions tax legislation and Revenue rules”.

Surely looking to circumvent a signed lump sum waiver form isn't a bona fide transfer and my firm certainly wouldn't entertain a transfer on that basis.

Having read the material and reflected on what's really happening, I must admit feeling somewhat uncomfortable with the ethics of all this. Just to tease it out further....

Take someone who transfers from an occupation pension scheme (with an attaching waiver and less than 15 years service) to a PRSA - are you saying that your firm would not facilitate such a transfer? It amounts to the same thing.

Also, a key driver of off shore transfers will be to arrange one's affairs in a way that minimises tax. This is the essence of the example on your website where the rationale given for moving to Malta is to save tax in drawdown and save tax at retirement by not-exceeding allowable pension thresholds.

It seems strange to me that certain forms of circumvention are deemed appropriate to you and other forms not deemed acceptable. In relation to the example quoted, the bona fide reason could reasonably be to avoid imputed distribution. The tax free lump sum bit could be deemed secondary.
 
The transfer must be "“for bona fide reasons and is not primarily for the purpose of circumventing pensions tax legislation and Revenue rules”.

Surely looking to circumvent a signed lump sum waiver form isn't a bona fide transfer and my firm certainly wouldn't entertain a transfer on that basis.

Assuming that I have no wish to live anywhere but Ireland, could you think of any bona fide reasons to transfer my pension fund to Malta that your firm would entertain?
 
Hi

Has anyone any more information on this ? It seems to becoming a legitimate option for firms to be advising clients to do it.
 
Morning. Just giving this a bump to see if anyone has any views on this topic of whether Malta is a legitimate and legal route for people to go down for their pensions at retirement ? Tks
 
I’ll just repost this key point

The transfer must be "“for bona fide reasons and is not primarily for the purpose of circumventing pensions tax legislation and Revenue rules”.
 
Tks for that. Then I can’t see how Irish companies are offering this service to clients in Ireland who are remaining living in Ireland.
Surely the only reason people do it is to gain an advantage- a tax saving advantage or to be able to use the more favourable Malta rules around pensions.
 
It’s a great observation.

We spoke with a leading tax consultant on this subject and they agreed that anyone facilitating a transfer which is immediately retired is most likely going to fail that test comprehensively.

But I’m 51 my family all live in the U.K. can you tell me where I’m going to retire?

And remember that the landmark O’Sullivan case turned on arguments that the client, an accountant, didn’t want to keep his capital in Ireland due to the economic concerns.

“there is no statutory basis where provision of details in respect of residency or employment is a prerequisite for arranging an overseas transfer of a PRSA scheme. The plaintiff chose not to proceed with the transfer of his fund to Cyprus because of an unstable economic climate. He favours moving the fund to Malta for that same reason.”
 
Marc,
So for an Irish resident who has no specific plans to retire overseas, what might be a “bona fide” reason to transfer one’s pension to Malta (if not for the purpose of circumventing tax or Revenue regulations).? You have referred to “bona fide reasons” a number of times, but have failed to give examples.
 
There is a specific example referred to in the OSullivan case in my post above

Revenue has not issued any guidance as to what constitutes a bona fide transfer.

The bona fide condition was introduced in 2009 in a bid to stop PRSAs being used to facilitate 'artificial' transfers of occupational pension schemes outside of Ireland and back again. In 2012 the Revenue Commissioners were advised by the pensions industry that many requests for transfer of pension schemes overseas were in response to advertising by international scheme providers in Ireland. These schemes sometimes work by way of a "dual transfer" - an individual's pension fund is transferred to an overseas arrangement which meets the requirements of S.I. No. 716/2003, whereby it is then immediately transferred to another jurisdiction to allow for easier access to the funds.

The increase in overseas transfers raised concerns concerning the potential flight of pension funds out of the country, the risk to the pension holders and an undermining of the primary purpose of tax relief for pensions, i.e., to encourage individuals to save for retirement. This supposes that pension funds are 'locked away' and not accessible until retirement. The Revenue, as part of the reforms under the 2012 circular, introduced the requirement to include a signed declaration that the transfer being sought was bona fides. It is the Revenue Commissioner's position that the inclusion of this declaration by the PRSA holder is not conclusive evidence of bona fides. The PRSA provider can still make further enquiries to assess the validity of the proposed transfer and is under no obligation to "blindly accept a signed declaration" as the only evidence
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"A member of an occupational pensions scheme or a PRSA contributor who directs the trustees of the scheme or the PRSA provider to make a payment to, or transfer assets to, an arrangement for the provision of retirement benefits outside the State (i.e. an overseas arrangement) under the provisions of the Occupational Pensions Scheme and Personal Retirement Savings Accounts (Overseas Transfer Payments) Regulations 2003 (S.I. No. 716 of 2003) shall, prior to any transfer, sign a declaration, in such form to be determined by the Revenue Commissioners, to the effect that the transfer conforms to the requirements of the regulations and Revenue pension rules, is for bona fide reasons and is not primarily for the purpose of circumventing pension tax legislation and Revenue rules."

From the Judge’s summary

“I do not think that the defendant (the pension trustee) is under an obligation to engage in an investigation of the motives of the plaintiff. Provided there is nothing in the facts of the case as presented to the company to give rise to suspicion as to the bona fides of the transaction, the defendant company is free to implement the wishes of the owner of the fund. Having said that, I am not sure that it is possible to lay down a general rule. Everything depends on the circumstances of the particular case. It is sufficient to say that in this case there appears to be no basis for questioning the motives of the applicant and that his declaration in the approved form is therefore sufficient. The defendant company does not have any reason to be uneasy and is not required to verify the factual circumstances behind the application or to make some general exploration of the applicant's motives. This condition is not accordingly a legitimate ground of refusal.
 
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Tks for all that information but I’m struggling to see what the bona fide reason was in that case or indeed would be for those of us would like to avail of this option.
 
The key line from the Judge’s discussion

“ I am not sure that it is possible to lay down a general rule. Everything depends on the circumstances of the particular case.”

It’s therefore clearly only possible to examine each case in its merit which is exactly what we do for our clients.
 
Perhaps there is a fine line between "a bona fine reason" and "a difficult to prove this is not a bone fide reason".

Or, at least, the perception of a fine line.
 
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