Speeders - Buy your way out of speeding bans for 105mph

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I don't think the 'floor it' option is one that will get you out of trouble, nor is it a convincing argument against some electronic top end speed limiter. The 'stand on the brake' option is more likely to save you from a head-on collision.

Re: Speed limiters

I don't think the 'floor it' option is one that will get you out of trouble, nor is it a convincing argument against some electronic top end speed limiter. The 'stand on the brake' option is more likely to save you from a head-on collision

I think the point is that the 'floor it' option is sometimes, or may sometimes be necessary to get a driver out of trouble, particularly in relation to over-taking. This can very often be safer than slamming on your brakes to get back behind the vehicle you're attempting to overtake.
This alone might be a good enough argument to suggest that across the board speed limiters are not a good idea. Repaymentors GPS idea sounds like a good idea mind you.

Here's just one example of where speeding might be necessary to save your life when over-taking:
You're overtaking a long vehicle on a stretch of road and are two-thirds the way past the vehicle when the driver of said vehicle decides to speed up. Maybe he didn't see you. Up until now you've been doing 60mph. Now you find yourself having to speed up to 66-68mph to keep up. Car ahead of you. You're now level with the front of the long vehicle. Common sense will tell you that you should put your foot down and overtake as you do not have time to brake to get back behind the lorry and perhaps the traffic behind the lorry is tight. Bumper to bumper.

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Speed limiters would change the maneuvers that could safely be completed but that is just a matter of knowing the limits of the car.

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piggy: I'd have to agree with Repaymentors quote above. I don't think your example is any argument against limiters. Indeed what happens if the truck continues to speed up? Do you continue to 'floor it' to the end? In France you may exceed the speed limit by 20KPH when overtaking. Similarly top end speed limiters for cars here could possibly be set to 80MPH with the speed limit at 70MPH to allow for safer? overtaking. I think speed limit for trucks in Ireland is 50MPH. Top end speed limiters for trucks could be set 20MPH below that of cars.

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Indeed what happens if the truck continues to speed up? Do you continue to 'floor it' to the end?
Well, no. I guess not. I was just giving an example of a scenario whereby having a physical limit of 70mph on your car might cause a head on crash or cause you to slam on your brakes. I think (and I know this is slightly pedantic) that in my example most modern cars would be able to out accelerate a long vehicle. So, in the case I gave, I do think that putting your foot down would make more sense than braking very hard to try to squeeze back in behind the truck to avoid a head on collison. In fact, I'd say this would take more time (therefore more risk) than accelerating/putting it in fourth and giving it some welly.

In France you may exceed the speed limit by 20KPH when overtaking
Makes sense.

Similarly top end speed limiters for cars here could possibly be set to 80MPH with the speed limit at 70MPH to allow for safer? overtaking
Okay...I see your point. But then couldn't people just drive at 80mph all the time?

I think speed limit for trucks in Ireland is 50MPH
Is it? I don't doubt you...I'm just surprised at that.

Top end speed limiters for trucks could be set 20MPH below that of cars.
That makes sense too...but I'd imagine that trick drivers might have something to say about that, as would their unions. Mind you if the limit for truck drivers right now is 50 then none of that should matter...but I don't know if it is or if they adhere to it?

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eh piggy . . your quote below . .

In fact, I'd say this would take more time (therefore more risk) than accelerating/putting it in fourth and giving it some welly.

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. . is somewhat worrying. Some inexperienced drivers (not suggestion you) don't know how to overtake properly and seem not to realise that should they need quick acceleration that should be dropping down a gear or two to third.

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I'm not sure I understand how what I said is worrying. However, overtaking on a motorway is not something they teach you for the driving test. I'm open to being corrected on that as it's a long time since I did my test.
If I was overtaking someone on a two lane motorway like the M50 then I wouldn't necessarily feel the need to drop a gear...as no on-coming traffic.
If I was overtaking on any other road where to do so means moving into the opposite lane where you could meet oncoming traffic then you should always drop a gear, or two as the case may be. The purpose being to overtake as quickly and safely as possible.
In the example I was giving, you would already have dropped a gear (I didn't specify that) so you might need to drop to third (not fourth as I stated) for the extra welly, or just accelerate faster. All dependent on your engine size, speed etc...

speed limiters

gardai lately seem to be engaged in sharp practice regarding speed traps. Went through 2 today (7 august) in the space of 2 miles. People are saying its because they have no cash to escort due to atm strike. Don't know how true this is. But i was doing 35 mph approx in an unfamiliar road. on my return journey i found a barely visible 30mph sign at the bottom of the road. why don't the guards check the backroads at weekends (where many deaths occur) or drivers leaving pubs?. after their recent shenanigans in donegal, the gardai are fast losing public confidence