Speed Cameras : Garmin or Tom Tom - which alerts you to speed camera locations?

I find it fascinating the way the government has once again abdicated resposibility in blaming the public for road deaths.

It is an easy call. Obviously the driver is responsible. But who is responsible for the state of our roads? Who is responsible for providing an alternative to driving? Who is responsible for creating the conditions which have led to our commuter society?

We let them away with far too much. They lecture us and we take it like little puppies. Yes, the driver bears a certain responsibility, but the government also bears responsibility - and yet all they do is finger point and lecture.

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mobileme said:

A friend of mine puts on her hazard lights if someone travels too close to her car...she says it's a hazard and she's right!!

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This is always how I respond to someone driving too close. It IS a hazard.

The thing that gets me in this country is that every other driver on the road is apart-time garda!

Why where they tailgating you? Were you driving to far under the speed limit. They obviously want to get past.

I would suggest that instead of trying to teach people a lession by tapping brakes etc, which is utterly stupid with vehicles in motion, how about letting them by or increasing your speed to the speed limit on that road.

Stop taking other drivers actions personally! It takes a better person and driver to be safe and let a faster driver pass you, it is not your place to police the roads!...phew!

sinbadsailor said:

Why where they tailgating you? Were you driving to far under the speed limit. They obviously want to get past.

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I certainly wouldn't assume there was any sort of valid reason for tailgating - there never is. If someone wants to overtake - then just do it, provided it is safe/legal to do so. No-one should be under any obligation to make it easier for overtakers.

Tailgating is simply bullying and it's dangerous in itself.

Caveat said:

I No-one should be under any obligation to make it easier for overtakers.

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Wrong.

Page 46 of the new Rules of the Road:

*Continue at the same pace
*Keep as near to the left as is safe to do so
*Do not accelerate
*Be alert in case the overtaking vehicle suddenly pulls back in front of you

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tosullivan said:

Both.....

I have the file for almost all the garda locations in Ireland for my Tom Tom.

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Where can I get this please?

sorry but if people arent planning to break the law why would you need these??

Aren't speed camera detectors illegal?

tallpaul said:

Wrong.

Page 46 of the new Rules of the Road:

*Continue at the same pace
*Keep as near to the left as is safe to do so
*Do not accelerate
*Be alert in case the overtaking vehicle suddenly pulls back in front of you

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OK, Haven't received the new ROTR, but I was referring to "no-one being under any obligation..." in the context of tailgating. Surely the burden of responsibility/safe driving lies with the driver not to bully the car in front?

Caveat said:

OK, Haven't received the new ROTR, but I was referring to "no-one being under any obligation..." in the context of tailgating. Surely the burden of responsibility/safe driving lies with the driver not to bully the car in front?

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I wouldn't condone tailgating, it is a dangerour practice. But you need a proper defintion of what is considered bullying. If a car approached you as you were travelling in the overtaking lane of a motorway and flashed his/her lights on approaching you in order for you to move over and let them continue without having to slow down, would you consider that bullying?

Another example is a string of traffic travelling well below the limit on a single carriageway road where you can see the car in front causing the holdup. They would be oblivious or ignorant to the other road users and are in fact causing a situation where frustration might make another driver do something dangerous.

The onus is on EVERYBODY to respect each other and be aware of ones surroundings at all times while driving I feel.

sinbadsailor said:

I wouldn't condone tailgating, it is a dangerour practice. But you need a proper defintion of what is considered bullying. If a car approached you as you were travelling in the overtaking lane of a motorway and flashed his/her lights on approaching you in order for you to move over and let them continue without having to slow down, would you consider that bullying?

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Maybe, if I was already travelling at the speed limit - but obviously it would be common sense to move over anyway.

sinbadsailor said:

Another example is a string of traffic travelling well below the limit on a single carriageway road where you can see the car in front causing the holdup. They would be oblivious or ignorant to the other road users and are in fact causing a situation where frustration might make another driver do something dangerous.

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Yes, I agree that this can be a problem.

sinbadsailor said:

The onus is on EVERYBODY to respect each other and be aware of ones surroundings at all times while driving I feel.

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I agree.

Caveat said:

Maybe, if I was already travelling at the speed limit - but obviously it would be common sense to move over anyway.

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You would think so, wouldn't you, but it seems to me that the majority of Irish drivers take being overtaken personally and actually resent moving over/giving way in filter situations etc. They would get some shock driving on the continent or even in the UK for that matter.

A proper case of the 'Im alright f** you Jack', or 'you aint getting in there mate' attitudes.

Sad really, as we are all judged by our worst drivers!