Solar Energy Park in Spain

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Just got an e-mail promoting bonds in a solar energy park in spain offering returns of 11.4% guaranteed (it says by a bank) for 12 years plus your original investment back at the end of the term (in €25,000 units). All sounds to good to be true. Anyone else have any opinions on this. Not sure I can mention the company promoting it here but they are based in leixlip, Co Kildare
 
Got the same email and sent it straight to deleted items. As Starlite says its too good to be true.
 
I got the same e-mail and was thinking that this was a great deal and how lucky I was to get this special offer from this company. I really would like invest in it but am scared as it seems it's too good to be true.
Don't have the time to investigate it further.
As the previous poster said, the compnay I got the e-mail from are based in Leixlip, Co. Kildare and deal primary in foreign property. They must be diversifying due to the property slump !
 
Just got an e-mail promoting bonds in a solar energy park in spain offering returns of 11.4% guaranteed (it says by a bank) for 12 years plus your original investment back at the end of the term (in €25,000 units). All sounds to good to be true. Anyone else have any opinions on this. Not sure I can mention the company promoting it here but they are based in leixlip, Co Kildare

A bank bond with a guaranteed 11.4% yield would be sold to a finance house to sell as a portfolio product, and it would sell like hot cakes. Any idea who is issuing the bank guarantee?
 
The company I worked for has looked at investing in PV in Spain.

I can tell you that we could not achieve an IRR approaching 11.4% on investment. While the tariff is fantastic in Spain the middlemen in the Industry have taken out most of the margin.
Also the brochure does not mention that there is CAP on the amount of MW that will qualify for the tariff.

The Renewable Industry at the moment is showing a lot of similiar signs to the IT/Dot Com industries at the turn of the centuary.
 
I have been looking at investing in renewable energy plants now for the last 6 months. At the moment if you are offered any such product - take care. There is a legal dispute in relation to the price for energy generated through Spanish plants which will only be resolved at the end of September. The ROI will be less that what you are offered regardless.
 
I have been looking at investing in renewable energy plants now for the last 6 months. At the moment if you are offered any such product - take care. There is a legal dispute in relation to the price for energy generated through Spanish plants which will only be resolved at the end of September. The ROI will be less that what you are offered regardless.
Agreed.

I read through the prospectus in detail.

Firstly, the prospectus does not say who is providing the AAA zero coupon bond guarantee and exactly when it will be obtained or whether it has already been obtained and whether it is subordinated to other debtors. I'm suspicious that the bank guarantee has been changed apparently late in the preparation phase. A lot of my cash is in the Rabobank. That truly is a AAA rated bank, and anyone can easily check that online. I would want to see a name of a company and a detailed prospectus for that product too. Since the zero coupon bond is the financial underpinning for the guarantee it is IMHO materially important for making an informed investment decision. There are really not many institutions that are AAA rated.

Secondly the small print on the income tariff:

In one part of the document the income level is certain:

This means that a secure, fixed selling price of 0.4403 €/kwh for a period of 25 years must be paid if sold to the Spanish national grid! So a single kW of power sold will earn 44 cents!​

And yet in another part of the document it is admitted that this figure is purely speculative.

The expectation is that the following table will be the basis for the upcoming few years:​

Importantly, a revision of the tariff rates is due at the end of September 2008 and, although speculative, it is anticipated that a reduction of 20% to 30% will be implemented. Only installation connected to the grid before this date would fall into the tariffs set above.​

That's a huge disclosure. They have used the higher tariff for their financial model stating that it is a fixed selling price, and yet that price is apparently anything but fixed and they even already anticipate a drop (which is conveniently noted in the text but is not taken into account in the financial figures at all). Buyer beware until that tariff really is fixed.

Thirdly: they've split up a 3MW plant into 30 off 100KW plant to get higher tariffs. It really isn't clear to me that they will qualify to be treated as 30 separate plants (especially if they only have one common feed cable to the supplier)

Update: 16/8/2008 Just read an update on the website about the zero coupon bonds. They are to be used as a guarantee for the benefit of the investor, so that the Investment Amount is guaranteed at the end of this contract. That's clear. All will be ok if the company makes it to the end of the contract. The issue to me is what happens if the company fails before the end of the 12 year contract. There seems to me to be a clash with the fundamental priority of ownership rights over the zero coupon bond between the original investor and the mortgage provider if things go pear shaped during the term of the deal. The zero coupon bond is being used to provide the company with the capital that they are leveraging up via a mortgage. I would expect that the mortgage provider BBVA would demand first rights on the underlying zero coupon bond capital as the security on the mortgage. In which case the zero coupon bond would not be available to the original investor in the event of a bankruptcy. If the original investor does have sole rights to that bond during the 12 year term, how can the company use it to leverage up by 80%? I wouldn't accept that if I was the mortgage bank. So I can only conclude there's a hidden risk here in the guarantee structure.
 
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Suggestion - Engage independent professional advisors to verify all information provided as per standard practice

I was informed me that our solar energy bond was the subject of a thread on this site, and having read the posts I feel it is necessary to start my response by offering these standard words of advice to all those using this forum to research investment opportunities (with anonymous submitters providing the advice):- "We work to source investment opportunities that we feel would be of interest to our clients. Our clients are always advised to obtain independent professional advisors (lawyers, financial, and tax advisors) to help them verify the information provided."


Most of the documentation relevant to this investment is downloadable from http://www.astuteproperty.com/solar/solar_energy_fe_spain.html. Full investment documentation has been provided in advance to two independent firms (one Irish legal firm & one Spanish), for assisting our clients in checking this investment opportunity out.

For your information this investment has been approved by independent pension trustees, working on behalf of one of our clients.

Regarding the level of Income Yield:
- Please refer to the letter from Belchi Law (http://www.astuteproperty.com/solar/docs/rd66107_report_Belchi.pdf) that confirms that the current feed-in tariffs and hence the current level of income applies only to solar energy facilities connected to the grid before end of September 2008, which applies to this investment. All solar energy facilities connected to the grid after this date are subject to a lesser income yield p.a. Clients are advised to verify this information themselves.

- Some of our clients are investing pension funds into these bonds, only after their pension trustees approved the investment.

- For your information, we are launching a NEW promotional campaign offering the same bonds at 9.8% income yield in line with the Spanish Governments reduction in feed-in tariffs. These bonds may also be offered to institutional investors.

I remain contactable if anyone has any questions or wishes to verify this opportunity further.

Yours sincerely,

Paul Egan
Astute Property International
www.AstuteProperty.com
01-6104437
 
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Some of our clients are investing pension funds into these bonds, only after their pension trustees approved the investment.
Well I could manage my own pension in a personal holding company and I would also be the trustee of that pension managed for my own benefit, so this statement doesn't particularly impress me as I could be the company owner, pension trustee, and pension beneficiary all in one. There's nothing to stop me investing a portion of that pension in any investment at any risk level, as long as it is legal.
For your information, we are launching a NEW promotional campaign offering the same bonds at 9.8% income yield in line with the Spanish Governments reduction in feed-in tariffs.

Would you care to elaborate how it is possible to sell the same bond with two different guaranteed rates?
These bonds may also be offered to institutional investors.

Again, an offering to institutional investors doesn't impress me much. It doesn't mean they've actually bought them. And the laws regarding the structure and content of a prospectus or offer aimed at institutional investors are generally laxer than those aimed at retail investors, because it is assumed that institutional investors are more than capable of performing their own due diligence.
 
To all clients reading this forum, ask yourself one simple question:-
Is it better to engage an independent professional legal/financial advisor that is legally liable for their work or rely on unsubstantiated posting from anonymous individuals?

Martin77 - just a couple of simple points in reply to your comments

1. Engage independent professional advisors to verify all information provided as per standard practice. Clients are advised not to invest in anything until they have fully checked it out with professional advisors and are thereafter happy to proceed!

2. The pension trustees that I referred to work for a professional pension firm and are regulated by the Irish Financial Regulator. Proof can be provided to a genuinely interested party (once they are not anonymous & naturally this info can not be posted on a public forum or distributed publicly - before Martin77 demands this!). This client requested that these professional, regulated trustees check out this investment and only invested after receiving their approval.

3. Martin77 asked - "Would you care to elaborate how it is possible to sell the same bond with two different guaranteed rates?"
- No Problem.
- The fincincial structure of the strippable bond relates to its maturity value (under the current offer this is €25k per bond) and is distinct from the income yield. It is a treasury security.
- The income yield relates directly to the level of Spanish Government feed-in tariffs which are going to be reduced for all solar energy facilities connected to the grid after end September 2008. Naturally our investors will be investing in energy facilties that will be connected to the grid before send September 2008.
- The report from Belchi Law expands on the above information.
- Once again I will reiterate our clients are all dealing with independent advisors to verify all information before they proceed.

I would invite Martin77 and anyone who questions the validity of the information provided to contact me privately and I can supply them with the name of an Irish legal firm that has significant experience with checking out Spanish business opportunties.

We would agree with the sentiment that every investor should have their wits about them before committing to any investment. Our company works to identify investment opportunities for our clients. Then we advise our clients that they should seek independent professional advice before making a decision.

In conclusion we would naturally prefer it if people took our advice of seeking independent professional advice rather than posting potentially slanderous remarks on a public forum, before checking the facts out in full first. I was forced to post on this forum in reply to some misleading comments.

Martin77 - In the context of a potential investor's due diligence the fact is that it does not matter what I write (nor what an anonymous poster writes I am sorry to inform you) so it provides zero benefit for me to repeatedly reply to questions on a public forum that are more appropriate for any client to direct at their own independent professional advisor.

Yours sincerely,

Paul Egan
www.AstuteProperty.com
01-610 4437
 
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