You can't really believe that the two Brians, the three Marys, Micheal, Martin, Willie et al will actually fix the country's problems . . given that they caused them. The price of democracy over the last number of years has been incompetence, waste and cronieism; recession is just the latest installment.The Socialist Partnership talks have broken down. For the first time in 15 years the government will have to govern.
If the recession is the price we have to pay to restore democracy in this country then it is well worth it.
The vested interest groups have run the country for the last decade, with the ICTU at the head of the table.You can't really believe that the two Brians, the three Marys, Micheal, Martin, Willie et al will actually fix the country's problems . . given that they caused them. The price of democracy over the last number of years has been incompetence, waste and cronieism; recession is just the latest installment.
You have to ask, what was the point of the past two weeks? Sounds like it was just a talking shop.
The cabinet could have decided at their two day meeting what their proposals were to cut pay and told the social partners then. A lot of posters on AAM have suggested ideas off the top of our heads to reduce the bill. Probably took them a couple of miutes to think up.
Most public workers are expecting cuts and the public opinion is behind the government so why did they drag it all out?
It has been estimated that the delay was costing €5 million a day in extra borrowing. This whole exercise could have cost us over €70 million so.
The Socialist Partnership talks have broken down. For the first time in 15 years the government will have to govern.
If the recession is the price we have to pay to restore democracy in this country then it is well worth it.
We elected a government but it didn't govern. It ceded power to an unelected Polit Bureau called the "Social Partners" where the people only had one vote and no veto and the unelected vested interest groups had 3 votes and one veto (held by "Congress").So are you saying that we have not had democracy in this country for the last 15 years? In other words the people did not elect the Government?
So do you believe that these same politicians who ceded power and pandered to vested interests, resulting in our current position, will have the acumen to fix this? Surely the countless quangos, independent regulators, dusty and newly commissioned reports, and of course, auction politics tells the tale that their objective is only ever to get reelected and to hold office rather than to govern.We elected a government but it didn't govern. It ceded power to an unelected Polit Bureau called the "Social Partners" . .
We elected a government but it didn't govern. It ceded power to an unelected Polit Bureau called the "Social Partners" where the people only had one vote and no veto and the unelected vested interest groups had 3 votes and one veto (held by "Congress").
We elected a government but it didn't govern. It ceded power to an unelected Polit Bureau called the "Social Partners" where the people only had one vote and no veto and the unelected vested interest groups had 3 votes and one veto (held by "Congress").
So do you believe that these same politicians who ceded power and pandered to vested interests, resulting in our current position, will have the acumen to fix this?
I think you are simply wrong by saying we did not have democracy, we did, its just that you did not like the form of Government that it produced.
I find it very difficult to belive that anyone who voted in the last election in 2007 didn't realise what they were getting when they voted. They were getting a continuation of the same policies since 1997. Was Bertie Ahern going to change his ways, hell no! The people are now being rewarded for their own stupidity in not taking enough interest in their own affairs. It begins, and ends with the people and this current period should be a salutory lesson to them. You get what you vote for and in 2007 they voted for the continuation of their greed. Now instead of realising the part they have played in their own demise they turn looking for a scapegoat, and the public service is number one on their list.
Hopefully the crap hole we are in will wake people up to their obligations as citizens to defend their freedom
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The cabinet are meeting this morning to discuss the €2 billion cuts required in public spending.
Did they not just do this two weeks ago?
Of course it was the people, but based on promises and commitments made and a forlorn hope that the politicians would(could?) make good decisions. I didn't vote for them but the others are pretty much the same. The Irish political system is a bit of a self-financing closed shop. Hopefully a new domestic political group will emerge although I don't know where from; maybe if Libertas does well in European elections it may spawn a national political force. The Irish 'political classes' are, for the most part, overpaid incompetents.Who gave the current politicians the power then? I think you will find its the people!
Because two weeks ago David Begg and Turlough O'Sullivan were effectively running the country.
The alternative government, FG and Labour, supported the Polit Bureau system and criticised the government for not spending enough... what real choice have the people had for the last 10 years?
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