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Don't forget to mention the deflationary effect of the cuts driving us deeper and deeper into recession;No I believe in Real Life Economics... We dont have any money, well then Anglo can go and sing for their money, so can AIB and BOI. They should not be given another single cent and they should be hit with a Banking Tax to pay us all back. And Senior Public Servant should take the maximum hit with low paid staff being protected
But... Fianna Fail Economics will mean that Anglo will get the €6bn they ask for, developers will be bailed out, those who caused this mess will get away with it. But pity about the low paid and those who have lost their jobs because sorry lads we have no money for you guys...
No I believe in Real Life Economics... We dont have any money, well then Anglo can go and sing for their money, so can AIB and BOI. They should not be given another single cent and they should be hit with a Banking Tax to pay us all back. And Senior Public Servant should take the maximum hit with low paid staff being protected
But... Fianna Fail Economics will mean that Anglo will get the €6bn they ask for, developers will be bailed out, those who caused this mess will get away with it. But pity about the low paid and those who have lost their jobs because sorry lads we have no money for you guys...
Is it only suicides of developers that matters? What about the 400 suicides each year recently? Might be interesting to see how many of these were related to financial pressures arising from climbing/crashing house prices etc.29 developers dead by suicide in the last 2 years, dont try to say they have got off scot free to be honest.
The country doesnt have money, we are borrowing to finance current expenditure at the moment. Unless you believe in ostrich economics, we have to pay those borrowings back at some point. The more borrowings, the more interest we have to pay on our national debt, which means even less money for public sector wages/services.
Is it only suicides of developers that matters? What about the 400 suicides each year recently? Might be interesting to see how many of these were related to financial pressures arising from climbing/crashing house prices etc.
Annet,I think its because those who are claiming social welfare feel so deflated.
I have said and will continue to say that it is wrong that anyone should have to queue on the streets for a payment they are entitled to.
I despair when camera crews decide to film them.
There were people on the joe duffy show,complaining about the treatment they received when trying to get social welfare...but I never heard anymore after that.
Anglo is now a semi-state and so it's workers are protected from market realities. If Anglo had been cut loose and left to it's own devices it would have gone bust a year and a half ago and not only would there have been no pay increases, there would be no jobs in Anglo.What a cracking time for Anglo Irish Bank to reveal pay increases for 60 employees , 40 here and 20 in the UK.
That will go a long way to diffuse differences at the current Government/Union discussions.
What point is that exactly?
I think, perhaps without them realising, their 'point' may be backfiring somewhat.
Has it not occurred to them that most non PS/CS employees work way outside of their supposed remit all the time?
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So do most PS/CS employees. As other people have said, work to rules at times of dispute is not confined to the Public Sector.
Nothing illegal if they follow a process like this. Firing isn't an option as ee's are protected under the Industrial Relations Act when on industrial action. Docking pay is the logical option.
It is but you can't dock wages with a legitimate WTR because the employees are working to exact specifications of their contract of employment. In theory, therefore, they aren't in breach of the contract and aren't open to docking of wages or any form of action against them.
The only avenue would be if there is a specific link in the contract and pay to certain performance criteria and standards, say operating standards. These would set the specifics on the duties of certain roles and could be seen (depending on the specifics of the contracts) as part of their contract of employment.
However, if these don't exist and the duties have never been formalised, there is nothing illegal with the WTR and nothing that is a breach of contract.
So do most PS/CS employees.
As other people have said, work to rules at times of dispute is not confined to the Public Sector.
Nice lateral thinking for a councillor in this morning's Irish Times.
Madam, – Perhaps instead of closing offices and inconveniencing citizens, the public service unions might consider opening their offices and giving the public a full service, but refuse to take in the cash or payments for such services? I suspect that might get them more public backing and a speedier response from Government. – Yours, etc,
Cllr DERMOT LACEY,
Beech Hill Drive,
Donnybrook,
Dublin 4.
So do most PS/CS employees. As other people have said, work to rules at times of dispute is not confined to the Public Sector.
Where has this happened in the private sector? Does anyone have an example?
All of us working here in Shannon should show that we can agree on a plan that will sustain jobs here. Clearly, anything which disrupts operations can have no positive effect whatsoever.
"Again, I urge all involved to work together to save jobs, not take actions that can only endanger them," he said.
After staff were persuaded from staging a sit-in in recent days, Mr Sullivan also warned that any disruption to production would only harden the resolve of the Element Six executive to force through the original plan with the loss of 370 jobs.
Unions have also rejected a claim from management over an outbreak of "blue flu" among Element Six workers, where there has been an alleged rise in the number of uncertified sick days taken by staff
Where has this happened in the private sector? Does anyone have an example? I am pretty sure I'd be fired if I took such an attitude in work. Not that I would take this attitude in any case, as I have pride in my work.
Didn't Dublin Bus do something like this a couple of years ago by not accept bus fares from passengers.
Can't see it happen though as collecting the money would be part of their procedure and would be easy to prove that an employee was not doing their job.
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