T McGibney
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I addressed this point yesterday. Do people not bother reading threads anymore before commenting?
It's nothing to do with not being paid the 'going rate'. They should be paid a capped very good salary for X amount of hours.
They also have ample opportunity to live and work almost anywhere they want in the world. Rising global prosperity is likely to see an acceleration and widening of the opportunities available globally for those with the greatest talent and most prized skills. Those countries that are uncompetitive in relation to taxes and working conditions stand to be roasted on foot of that.
This has gone serious off topic....
Yes clinicians should be paid a really good salary.
No clinician should be earning almost a million euro from public work as recently reported in IT.
There is such a split in Irish society, many workers with nothing left after all their bills are paid.
Many well educated young people desperate to get on the property ladder.
If this is reduced to €1.5 million it won't bother them!
It's nothing to do with not being paid the 'going rate'. They should be paid a capped very good salary for X amount of hours.
Forgive me, I had assumed you had considered the wider consequences of the policy position you’re advocating.Why would I give a highly paid public servant financial advice.
You are being unreasonable Itchy - come on!!Forgive me, I had assumed you had considered the wider consequences of the policy position you’re advocating.
What OP failed to point out and what has been missed in this thread is that the other part of this policy, at least when it was proposed in 2021, is that SF want to reduce the earnings limit from €115k to €60k. Severely handicapping private pension provision generally.You are being unreasonable Itchy - come on!!
Shh, you can't be saying things like that. It's a lot fairer to just keep increasing the minimum wage and taxing the rich than to promote aspiration and personal responsibility.People should aspire to earn lots of money.
Consultant pay needs a whole separate thread but it should be noted that any doctor earning above €250k in the public system is doing a crushing number of hours, probably covering for other vacant consultant posts, and likely has taken on a senior leadership role. There is no-one getting paid €1m for a 40-hour-a-week clinical job.
The crusade against "multimillionaire landlords" and "property speculators" has gone well for the last decade or more.The only reason we started talking about Hospital Consultants and other highly paid public servants is because it was used as an example of hard working, highly talented people being effected by the SF proposal. The defenders of massive pensions, probably, find it harder to argue for the multimillionaire landlords, or property speculators, so they concentrated on the self sacrificing doctors in the HSE.
Interestingly, the same characters are, usually, fulminating about the magic money tree and the profligacy of SF policy. So, it seems strange that a proposal designed to save tax payers money and reduce the public pay bill is met with such opposition.
The crusade against "multimillionaire landlords" and "property speculators" has gone well for the last decade or more.
They must be really suffering at this stage.
Oh wait.
Yes, that one. It's been underway since 2009, and its effects visible since early 2011.The "crusade" which asks them to pay a fair share of tax, on their ever increasing income?
The only reason we started talking about Hospital Consultants and other highly paid public servants is because it was used as an example of hard working, highly talented people being effected by the SF proposal. The defenders of massive pensions, probably, find it harder to argue for the multimillionaire landlords, or property speculators, so they concentrated on the self sacrificing doctors in the HSE.
Interestingly, the same characters are, usually, fulminating about the magic money tree and the profligacy of SF policy. So, it seems strange that a proposal designed to save tax payers money and reduce the public pay bill is met with such opposition.
Sorry Itchy, I forgot to add in the sarcastic emoji.Shh, you can't be saying things like that. It's a lot fairer to just keep increasing the minimum wage and taxing the rich than to promote aspiration and personal responsibility.
Well, as I've said previously, the Irish Hospital Consultants are the best paid medical consultants in Europe and, even better paid than many American Consultants.You're shock at the level of opposition is self-evident. Your analysis if first order, "reducing public pay bill = good". You've ignored the second and third order effects of the policy that will have a dramatic effect on the administration of services, specifically health services. Not only will it make filling the existing 1,000 vacancies more difficult, it will encourage existing doctors to leave the health service. If it can hit the "multimillionaire landlords and property developers", the hell with the rest of us? It offers nothing but saving a few headline euro and in fact would likely be net negative for the state, from an increased spending point of view (less private resources to fund old age/fair deal) and less income (reduced level of assets on which tax has been deferred). In addition, the other side of this policy is reduction in the income limit, increasing the populations dependence on the state. The policy is regressive, populist and prosaic.
That's what happens when they're targeted for heavy taxation.Well, as I've said previously, the Irish Hospital Consultants are the best paid medical consultants in Europe and, even better paid than many American Consultants.
So, how many incentives do they need? And when do we stop?
Irish hospital consultants among highest paid in the world
Ireland spends less on health than other western European countries as proportion of GDPwww.irishtimes.com
Hi Opus,Sorry Itchy, I forgot to add in the sarcastic emoji.Of course I agree with you (in case I wasn't clear!)
Best, Opus2018
Hi Firefly,Hi Opus,
Looks like you quoted me instead of Itchy!
Well, as I've said previously, the Irish Hospital Consultants are the best paid medical consultants in Europe and, even better paid than many American Consultants.
So, how many incentives do they need? And when do we stop?
I will ignore the little tinge of racism in your post, as there are a large number of consultants ( overseas born) working in the Irish public health service, as well as NCHD's, and nurses and other health professionalsIdeally "we" should stop about a week before you're rushed to ICU to be greeted by one of your (and SF's) beloved yellow pack A&E Consultants!
The chances are that his (or her) English won't be too good, but at least you'll die happy in the knowledge that you didn't spend your final hours under the care of an overpaid consultant!
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