Should one contribute post-tax funds to a pension scheme?

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My wife wants to retire at 50, 8 years from now. She has a pension pot of 125k, invested in a passive global equity fund. She's adding 23k p.a. to it (increasing in line with pay inflation) meaning she should have 500k by the time retirement comes along (subject to market conditions). So 125k TFLS & 15k p.a. from an ARF thereafter.

We're in a position to double the size of her pot using post-tax savings. Meaning a fund of ~750k by age 50, TFLS of 187.5k & 22.5k p.a. from an ARF. The alternative is an accumulating passive ETF which might get us to 180-190k in 8 years, after the 41% is paid. Nothing guaranteed of course!
 
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Given it's highly unlikely her pot will be bigger than 800k by 50, even if we bumped it up now, the main question is if it makes sense using after-tax income to fund a pension. I would never have thought so before reading this thread...
 
Pro: you get the benefit of tax-free growth within the fund.

Con: eight years is a very short period for equities and you may have negative or trivial returns.

Finally it’s hard to receive or give good advice with limited information like this. I suggest a money makeover.
 
Dr Strangelove said:
Con: eight years is a very short period for equities and you may have negative or trivial returns.
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The alternative approach with an ETF would have similar risk, and in any event, the intention would be to leave this pot in equities indefinitely. If the market was really in the doldrums, she could always defer dipping into it, we should have cash reserves built up to cover that contingency.

A MM is a good suggestion, as a preview it looks like we should be comfortable by then, no debt/mortgage & my pension is well funded, so the decision purely is about what will leave us better off financially.
 
@nest egg

You posted this in a thread on the €800k limit, which does not seem relevant here.

If I understand your question correctly, your wife is maxing her contributions to her pension fund already.

You are now asking if she should add money on which she will not get tax relief?

nest egg said:
She has a pension pot of 125k, invested in a passive global equity fund. She's adding 23k p.a. to it (increasing in line with pay inflation) meaning she should have 500k by the time retirement comes along
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So she will have about €300k before returns. I doubt that will be €500k but again, that is not really relevant here.

If she contributes €100k now on which she gets no tax relief.

When she retires, she will get €25k of this tax-free.
When she draws down the balance of €75k, she will pay at least 25% between tax and USC.
So about €19k tax.
The effective tax rate is 19%

Why would she put money into a fund which is taxed on what she takes out?

Let's say it grows at 5% per annum. It would be tax-free in the fund
So she will have €148k in the fund after 8 years.
She will pay €29k tax, and so will have about €120k net.

If she invests directly at say 3% net after Income Tax and CGT
She will have about €127k

The difference will be much bigger if she is taxed at 40% at age 50, which seems likely.

Brendan
 
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If you top it up and get more than 5% returns, then I think the effective tax rate is higher?

Let's say that the fund reaches €900k

She will pay 25% on the balance over €800k.

So on the additional €100k she is contributing now.
She is paying
€25k @ 20% = €5k
€75K@25% = €19k
So 24%
 
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