Short PRSI. Can I claim PRSI for work done in the black economy 34 years ago?

Forumuser said:
That is correct. The contributions were never paid. But they should have. And we are looking into this to find out how that can be achieved.
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There are probably ways of making up 26 contributions that are easier, less costly, and less liable to open up an unwanted can of worms (if DSP even take this whole thing seriously in the first place, which I doubt).
 
Indeed- the employer broke the law. No doubt about that.

Nobody tries to "rewrite" the past. We are looking to get the problem of the unpaid PRSI contributions solved. Fact is that somebody worked a few months in 1989 in a certain company and that his PRSI contributions were not paid by the employer or the employee. Nobody tries to establish something which did not happen.

I am always open to views. I would also look for concrete cases were a situation like this was solved- and how exactly this went in reality. That would give us a much better picture of what we could expect to happen. Unfortunately, there is a tendency here to present reasons why this thing is better left alone than dealt with. The reasons are partly justified- but some are bizarre and just scaremongering.

This thing should not be seen in a purely negative way- but also as a challenge how to solve it best. Yes- not doing anything may might be the preferred option at the end of the day.

The facts in form of witnesses willing to testify and a written statement from a hospital- which would be perfect in a real court case- is just brushed aside here. I would see such things as critical evidence. It does not tell us anything about the wages- but it clearly shows that our man was actually working in that company in 1989.

So far we have the following points covered:

1. A rough figure for the PRSI payments to be made by the employer and the employee.
2. There seems to be no tax problem for the employee. But the employer might run into trouble for any tax. Quite unlikely due to the number of years passed since- and a most likely lack of any detailed written documents from the former company.
3. The employer might have a legal problem for not having paid the PRSI contributions. But that was 34 years ago. Any statute of limitations for a penalty? Is it possible to get away with it for him if he just pays now what the DSP would ask from him?

There is one thing we should not forget: An employee and an employer would come forward on their own free will. No SW investigation would have forced them. There are witnesses and one written statement proving the job and time independently. They are only doing this to straighten something out. This would also return some money to the State.

It won't take too long for SW to solve this when everybody involved is interested to clean this up without resistance.

What reasons would SW or the IR have to turn this thing into something big and nasty?

It is the guy in question who has the last word about any action- not me. He did not take any decision yet.
Keep any real constructive suggestions coming- but go easy on the fiction, please.
 

I'd say that maybe half the youngsters in the country had at least one short term role like this back then. I include myself and I was glad to get the few bob for the weekend. It would take a full time division of Welfare/Revenue to look into these now and I suspect that is not going to happen - and 99% of people would not be interested in pursuing it.

Forumuser said:
Any judge and jury would show at least an interest in witnesses and written evidence.
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Well, we wouldn't want to blow this thing out of all proportions, would we?
 
Forumuser said:
It won't take too long for SW to solve this when everybody involved is interested to clean this up without resistance.
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In that case, the obvious solution is for you to direct your pal to write to Social Welfare and instruct them to sort this trivial matter out for him without delay.

(This fictionless, free and constructive solution is sent with my compliments - Happy Christmas!)
 
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