Self Employed and Social Welfare/Pension system

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The difference between the self-employed and the employed as far as the social welfare system is concerned is getting less and less. The nature of self-employment has changed over the years and there is growing recognition that the self-employed often need access to supports which were originally designed for the employed. Here are some pointers for the self-employed (or those considering self-employment) when it comes to your rights under the social welfare system. However, please do keep an eye on developments, as these rules are constantly evolving.

Jobseekers Payments

Recent changes introduced Jobseekers Benefit for the self-employed. There is now a specific payment known as Jobseekers Benefit (Self Employed) However, the conditions for this payment are not identical to the conditions for the regular Jobseekers Benefit. There is a requirement to have at least three years (154 weeks) contributions in your lifetime and a requirement that you must have completely given up your self-employment. You can however work up to three days per week as an employee and retain some payment. The usual requirements of being capable of, available for, and genuinely seeking full-time work also apply. There is no means test for this payment.

Despite what many people will tell you, the regular Jobseekers payments have always been available to the self-employed. However, that doesn't mean that there haven't been difficulties in getting those payments if you were self-employed. Before the recent changes, self-employed PRSI contributions (Class S) did not help you qualify for Jobseekers Benefit. However, if you have worked as an employee within the past five years (and particularly two years before the date of your claim) you can qualify for this payment under the normal rules. If you have enough contributions as an employee, it does not matter that your last work was self-employed. In this case you do not have to give up your self-employment, or you can even start up self-employment if you already qualify. You must still be available for and seeking full-time work.

For those who do not have the PRSI contributions, and for those who have not given up their self-employment completely, Jobseekers Allowance is still available. Many social welfare officials will tell you that you must cease your self-employment, but this is NOT required. A cessation certificate from Revenue will certainly make for a smoother application, but it is not a legal requirement for payment. You are expected to look for full-time work. While it is acceptable to try to build your business by looking for more customers etc, you may also be expected to apply for PAYE jobs.

Jobseekers Allowance is means tested (including income from spouse/partner/cohabitant). Every single euro that you earn from your self-employment will be taken into account (which contrasts with the employed person, who receive a 20 euro disregard for up to three days work, and only have 60% of the balance assessed). If you are making a loss you will not have any income assessed from your payment, unless you are continuing to take drawings, which can be assessed as income in some circumstances. If your profit is below the social welfare rate, you should receive some payment.

The real problem is in how your claim is examined and this will often depend on the Social Welfare Inspector who examines your claim. You will generally be asked for your last complete tax assessment and accounts to bring you up to the current date. They will often ask for accounts prepared by an accountant, but there should be no reason why they do not accept the same information provided by yourself. Strictly speaking they do not have to accept the accounts accepted by Revenue, and so they can ask to see the vouching documentation that you have based your self-assessment on. However, as your income has likely decreased if you are thinking about a Jobseekers claim, the previous accounts will only tell the story of what has gone before, and may not reflect the current position. You should provide any other documentation that shows why your level of work and income have decreased (eg. letters from those who have lost contracts with, bank statements, order books etc.). The test in the legislation is your likely income over the next 12 months, so if you can persuade the Inspector that your income has decreased to below the social welfare limit, you should receive a payment. In some cases, it can be as crude as plucking a figure out of the air. If you are unhappy with the assessment that has been reached, you can appeal the decision to the Social Welfare Appeals Office who will listen to you and in my experience provide a very fair and balanced appeal procedure. They are however bound by the same legislation as the deciding officer, so you must frame any appeal within the terms of social welfare legislation.

If your spouse or partner is on Jobseekers Allowance, your income from self-employment will be fully assessed. If they are on a PRSI payments such as Jobseekers Benefit, they may be able to claim an increase in their payment for you, depending on your income.

Illness

Entitlement to Invalidity Pension was expanded recently to the self-employed. This is a long term payment that requires five years (260 weeks) PRSI contributions made in Ireland to receive the full amount. You must also have 48 PRSI contributions in either the most recent tax year, or the year immediately before. It is therefore important that you do not leave two full tax years before you apply for this payment. It is much easier to get Invalidity Pension if you have been out of work already for one year, so the optimal time to apply is after one year of being sick, but while you still have contributions in the year before last. However, if it is clear that you will never work again, you can apply immediately.

However, the short-term Illness Benefit has not been extended to the self-employed. Of course, if you have been an employee in recent years, you may qualify based on your PAYE contributions, but if you do not have these, you will not be able to qualify. If you do not have the contributions to qualify for Illness Benefit, you can still qualify for Supplementary Welfare Allowance if you can show that your income has dropped to below the social welfare rate (201 euro for a single person, 335.70 for a couple). Almost all income is assessed for means, but if you have no means, this payment is available until you reach the stage where you consider applying for Invalidity Pension or are able to return to work.

If you do not meet the conditions for Invalidity Pension, eg. you don't have the five years PRSI or if you don't meet the strict medical conditions, you may be eligible for Disability Allowance. This is a means tested payment, but unlike Jobseekers payments, self-employment is considered in a similar manner to employment. The first 120 Euro of self-employment is disregarded, and 50% is disregarded up to 350/week. Above that, all income is fully assessed.

You cannot continue to work on Invalidity Pension or Illness Benefit, and this includes self-employed work. However, if you are on either of these payments and are thinking of re-starting work, you can apply for Partial Capacity Benefit. This usually involves reducing your payment by 50% (but it can be lower depending on how severe the injury/illness is). There is no restriction on the hours or wages you earn, but your payment will be reviewed periodically to make sure you still meet the medical criteria.

Carers Payments

Carers Allowance does not require any PRSI contributions and is available to those who are, or have been, self-employed. You must be providing full-time care, but you are permitted to work up to 18.5 hours outside of the home. Only hours working outside of the home are counted, so if you are self-employed and work from home full-time, this is permitted. There is a means test, but the first 332.50 euro per week is disregarded for a single person (665/week for a couple).

Carers Benefit is available to those who have employed PRSI contributions. It is not available to those with only self-employed contributions, but if you have been employed and do qualify, you can undertake self-employment as long as you are not working outside of the home for more 18.5 hours per week.

If you are looking after a disabled child, you can receive Domiciliary Care Allowance. This is not means tested and has no restriction on employment or self-employment. It is payable up to the child's 16th birthday.

Maternity Benefit

Maternity Benefit rules are slightly different for the self-employed. You must have a full year's PRSI record for two years ago, or the year either before or afterwards. So if you are claiming in 2020 you must have paid your PRSI for any of the years 2017, 2018 or 2019. If you were employed previously, you can combine your PAYE contributions with your self-employed contributions to qualify. However, you should note that you must be currently in insurable self-employed to qualify for Maternity Benefit. This means that you must be trading in the current year and expect to be earning at least 5,000 Euro. If you have de-registered from self-employment, you will not be eligible.

One Parent Family Payment

Self-employed income is treated the same as income from employment. You can earn up to 165 Euro each week without it affecting your payment. You can earn up to 425 euro per week and still retain some payment.

Working Family Payment/FIS

Hours worked as self-employed do not count towards the 19 hours required for this payment. However, any income from self-employment is assessed when determining family income.
 
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Pensions

Self-employed PRSI contributions count towards the State Pension (Contributory). The rules in relation to pensions are in the middle of a transition period, so the pension age and how pensions will be calculated may be very different depending on how the country's finances and politics develop.

Currently you need only 10 year's paid contributions to qualify for a minimium contributory pension (approx 91 euro per week). You get a paid contribution for every week that you work as an employee and earn more than 38 euro per week. You get 52 contributions for the year if you pay your PRSI as a self-employed person. Employee and self-employee contributions count equally towards pension entitlement. So basically you need a minimum of 10 years work, either as an employee or self-employed person to get in the door.

Under the current rules, you can qualify for an increased pension up to the maximum of 248 euro per week depending on your average contributions over your working life.

The plan is to change this to a percentage of your total contributions over your lifetime, using a 40 year base. If you have 40 years contributions, you qualify for the maximum pension. If you have less, you receive a percentage, eg. if you have 20 years, you will receive 50% of the pension rate. This already applies as an option if it works out better for you, but the plan is to change all pensions to this way of calculating entitlement.

However, 40 year requirement (or indeed the contributions required to increase your pension above the minimum) are not based on your years of work. You still only require 10 years work. The other contributions can be made up with credited contributions (or credits as they are known) or homemaking periods (for those looking after small children or providing full-time care).

Credits are normally awarded to those on social welfare payments, such as Jobseekers, Illness, Disability, Lone Parents. However, to get a credit, you must have been in the PRSI system at either Class A, B, C, D, E or H at some stage within the past two complete tax years. Self-employed contributions at Class S do not count. Therefore if you have been only self-employed for more than the past two years, you will not qualify for credits.

There is therefore a potential problem for those who have been self-employed and lose their job or become ill. They do not qualify for credits and a gap can start to open up in their social insurance record. If this results in their total contributions in their lifetime dropping to below 40, this will result in a reduction in the Contributory Pension entitlement.

Those who find themselves in this position may need to consider making voluntary contributions. For the self-employed, this costs a flat rate payment, currently 500 euro, for each year. These contributions can contribute towards your pension entitlement. To be eligible for voluntary contributions you must have already paid 10 years' contributions, so these will not be available to everyone. You have five years to claim voluntary contributions if you are eligible. Full details of how to apply are here https://www.citizensinformation.ie/...si/voluntarysocialinsurancecontributions.html

If you get the contributory pension, you can continue to work after pension age without any effect on your pension. However, your pension is considered as taxable income, so you will find that the tax credits you would otherwise have available to you will be reduced and therefore you may pay more taxes on your income from employment or self-employment. There is however an exemption for those over 65 (yes, 65 - it has not been increased to 66 like the pension age) so if your income is below 18k as a single person, or 36k as a couple, you will pay no income tax.

Non Contributory Pension

The State Non-Contributory Pension is available to everyone habitually resident in the state over the pension age. It is means tested. It is paid at a rate slightly less than the Contributory pension. For those who qualify for a full contributory pension, the non-contributory pension will not be available. However, for those who do not qualify for the contributory pension, or who qualify for a reduced rate pension because of their insurance record, they can apply for the non-contributory pension if it is more valuable to them.

Income from employment is disregarded up to 200 euro per week in the means test. However, this does not apply to self-employed income, which is fully assessed. For those who continue to work after pension age, every euro they earn from self-employment is deducted from their pension entitlement.
 
Housing Supports

The Rent Supplement scheme that previously provided most short-term support with rental costs excluded those who were employed or self-employed for 30 hours or more per week.

Thankfully the new HAP scheme has no such restriction and is available to both self-employed and employed people, including those working full-time. There are income limits that apply, depending on your household size, and these start from 35k net (if living in Dublin). Full details can be found here https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/de...ing/Housing/table_with_2016_income_limits.pdf

If your net household income is below the limit, you are placed on the local authority waiting list. As it takes years for you to be offered accommodation on the list, they will provide support to you while in private rented accommodation. There are limits of how much they will pay, depending on your family size and which county you live in. 20% more than the limit can be provided, and up to 50% if you are in Dublin and designated as being at risk of becoming homeless (eg, in a homeless shelter or have a termination notice from landlord that expires within the next month). County limits can be found here https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/housing_assistance_payment.html#l4292e

Once approved for HAP, the council will pay the agreed payment to the landlord. This may be the entirety of the rent, or may require an additional top-up to be made directly to the landlord form the tenant. The tenant then pays a weekly payment to the council, the same amount that someone pays who is in social housing. Each county sets their own rates, and these can vary from 10% to over 20% of household income.

As a temporary measure during COVID, Rent Supplement can be applied for if you cannot access HAP or if your income has been temporarily reduced, but would otherwise be above the HAP limits.
 
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Hi Lughildanach,
Am I interpreting the below on Carer's Allowance correctly that a carer cannot be self-employed and employed, eg if working 15 hours outside the home the carer could not take any work-from-home self-employment as well?


Carer must not be employed or self-employed outside the home


A Carer may engage in limited self-employment or outwork within the home provided the care recipient continues to receive full-time care and attention. Income from this employment would be assessable as means if the aggregate of €332.50 for a single/separated/civil partner who is not living with the other civil partner of the civil partnership Carer or €665.00 for a married/in a civil partnership/co-habiting Carer.

OR

A Carer may, with the prior permission of the department, engage in employment outside the home for up to 18.5 hours per week. The cared for person must be adequately cared for in the Carer's absence. Income from this employment would be assessable as means if the aggregate of all income exceeds the disregard amounts of €332.50 for a single/separated/civil partner who is not living with the other civil partner of the civil partnership Carer or €665.00 for a married /in a civil partnership/co-habiting Carer.
 
Hi Lughildanach,
Am I interpreting the below on Carer's Allowance correctly that a carer cannot be self-employed and employed, eg if working 15 hours outside the home the carer could not take any work-from-home self-employment as well?

As long as the total hours (employed and self-employed) outside of the home are not above the 18.5 hour limit (limit was extended from 15 to 18.5 at the start of this year), then they can do both. The distinction isn't between employed and self-employed, it is between inside and out of the home. Hours at home do not count towards the 18.5 hours, whether employed or self-employed.

But if you do some work (or indeed study) outside of the home, just be careful, as they will sometimes calculate travel time to/from work/studies in calculating the period. I personally don't think this is merited by the legislation, but it could be interpreted either way.

Also, if working at home, you do need to make sure that this work does not interfere with the care needs of the person being looked after. However I've never seen this raised as a concern. On the other hand, if you work outside of the home, you absolutely need to have a system in place so that the person continues to receive appropriate care while you are not there. Depending on the care needs, this can be as simple as having a neighbour or relative call in, or for you to be contactable by phone and able to attend at short notice. But if you're in the home, then it is generally accepted that you are available to provide the care that is needed.
 
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Hi Lughildanach.
You appear very familiar with all this Social Welfare info so maybe you could guide me in the right direction.
I am 63 years old and self employed paying class S since it was introduced in 1988. My work was very physical as a carpetfitte. I suffered from blood pressure from my early thirties and had a heartattack in 2011. Thankfully I recovered well and was able to return to my work some months later.
However in the last number of years I have suffered with knee problems due to the constant use of the carpet stretcher and find my work and walking difficult and had to stop working in |May 2018.
After some weeks out of work I submitted doctors certs which social welfare returned informing me that there was no point in submitting these as one had to be ill for a year before becoming eligible for any social welfare.
I sent no further certs in but have not worked since. Thankfully I have rental income and my partner works so we can manage. However I am wondering should I apply for invalidity benefit or am I now outside my 2 year contribution period. My prsi is paid on a yearly basis and is at class S.

If I applied and was awarded Invalidity benefit are those credits counted towards COAP. I can manage at the moment without the money from Invalidity pension but need to protect my contributions for COAP as best I can. and of course if I am entitled to it I should claim it.
Prior to 1984 I worked for a family member who is now deceased and there appears to be no record of social contributions when I inquired.
From mid 1984 I was self employed and all taxes etc paid but I think the prsi for self employed did not kick in til 1988.
So as I stand I have about 30 years of contributions at class S.
What is my best option. Apply for disability benefit and hope its awarded.
Continue as I am without applying and perhaps if necessary at pension age which will possibly be 4 years away seek to buy 5 years voluntary contributions.
Does my class S for rental income count as my contribution. for COAP

Any guidance or assistance would be greatly received. I already called to citizens advice who just said that I did not qualify for illness benefit.
Sorry for the long winded post but it is difficult to explain all of the situation.




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Entitlement to Invalidity Pension was expanded recently to the self-employed. This is a long term payment that requires five years (260 weeks) PRSI contributions made in Ireland to receive the full amount. You must also have 48 PRSI contributions in either the most recent tax year, or the year immediately before. It is therefore important that you do not leave two full tax years before you apply for this payment. It is much easier to get Invalidity Pension if you have been out of work already for one year, so the optimal time to apply is after one year of being sick, but while you still have contributions in the year before last. However, if it is clear that you will never work again, you can apply immediately.
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If you have prsi paid for 2018, then apply for invalidity pension before the end of 2020, otherwise you will not have the required prsi (must be last or second complete last tax year). You have now been sick for more than 12 months so it will be easier (but they still refuse a lot of cases). Appeal if unsuccessful.

Credits will not be awarded, as you are self employed. Get a copy of your social insurance record. If you have 40 years combined work and credits, then you don't need to worry. If you have less.and you want to ensure a maximum pension, you should arrange to pay voluntary contributions from 2019 onwards, or at least until you get to the magic 40 years number. It will cost you 500 euro per year. The benefit of this will depend on how many years you receive the pension.

There is also a loophole that currently exists (but don't count on it lasting forever). If you are on Invalidity Pension when you reach old age pension age, you automatically get maximum State Pension Contrib.

If you have any other evidence of your previous employment, send it to the Department and ask them to look in to it. But don't count on that being resolved. Hopefully you won't need those contributions, but always best to have whatever you can get and to have your record accurately reflect your work experience.
 
Sorry, just spotted your rental income prsi query. If you are paying class s stamp, you should be covered for the relevant years. Voluntary contributions are only necessary (or indeed possible) when you are not subject to compulsory insurance.
 
Thank You Lughildanach. I have got my record of contributions and asked if they had any prior to 1988 which they claim they have not. So my record appears to begin in 1988 when social welfare commenced for self employed so thus 30 years in total so far and I was 62 in 2018.
I have 3 years to go now so might apply for the invalidity and see what happens.
The only evidence I appear to have is receipts for I think a health insurance levy or income levy from 1984. I do need as many years as I can get to get me nearer the max.
Thanks again for your reply.
 
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