My wife recently changed her car, when she first went shopping the new car was 20K - 5 for her own, a week later I went in alone with her old car, after a little haggling I was quoted 18.5 -6K. My father in law returned the following day with both of us, in a busy show room on a saturday morning started questioning their pricing practice rather loudly. We got the car for 17K less 6 for hers. Car Dealers are sharks looking to make easy money on the meek. The moral of the story, haggle hard in a show room in front of many potential customers