T McGibney
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But can they?, if the list is written in such a way as to clearly identify those who haven't paid?
i.e
No 1- Paid
No 2- Paid
No 3- Paid
No 5- Paid
It might invite vigilante action against No 4.
it is my business what i care about. And i care abou something being run properly if i am going to give it moneywhy do you care if you havent joined
maybe they have as i said i am not a memberyes they should have one, it should be provided to all members and made availible to all members.
don't knowdo they have the authority to speak for everyone in the estate or are they just a bunck of goof offs and soap box politicans.
. I knowyou're under no obligation to join a residents association
they may have a right to speak on behalf of members, are members giving them that right by joiningLike wise they actually have no legal authority to speak for you or anyone else in the estate.
council do not cut grass etcWhy do you need one is it not a council run estate?
nodo the council not maintain the areas?
in a council estate?is there a management company in place?
not sure legallyisnt giving a donation the same as joining?
but I thought you havent given them money? if you havent then you shouldnt really care how they do things.it is my business what i care about. And i care about something being run properly if i am going to give it money
well if you join make sure they do. it covers how the association is run, how people are appointed to the committee etc so that it doesnt become a tool for one persons agendamaybe they have as i said i am not a member
might be worth looking into that because they may be speaking on your behalf and the likes of the council will think thats the conscensus view in the estate. if you have an opposing view you have a right to be hearddon't know
pretty much, normally they would ask all members for their view on things that need to be considered like speed bumps and go with the majority view. if they just do what they want without consultation then i'd be concerned.they may have a right to speak on behalf of members, are members giving them that right by joining
they should do it, but they are probably using the "we've no money we're in a recession line while maintaining their salaries as some dublin councils have done.council do not cut grass etc
what i mean was if you're going to donate would you not be as well off joining at least then you can offer your input and maybe ensure you see something for your money.not sure legally
i haven't but would consider it for the good of the estate.but I thought you havent given them money?
good points but if you are not in it how would you know what they sayif you havent then you shouldnt really care how they do things.
I know i dont, there's a residents association in my estate, I'm not in it and couldnt care less what they do once they dont include me in their "we speak for the estate" any time they do I make sure that i write to the concerned body to say that I am not part of this group and offer my opinion seperate,
lolthey send me fliers every now and again and i think "yay free paper" and write my shopping lists on them.
good idea. Is there a law that says they must have a constitution though?well if you join make sure they do. it covers how the association is run, how people are appointed to the committee etc so that it doesnt become a tool for one persons agenda
truemight be worth looking into that because they may be speaking on your behalf and the likes of the council will think thats the conscensus view in the estate. if you have an opposing view you have a right to be heard
councils no longer do this at least not around here. i think it was brought in before recessionthey should do it, but they are probably using the "we've no money we're in a recession line while maintaining their salaries as some dublin councils have done.
oh i see what you meant nowwhat i mean was if you're going to donate would you not be as well off joining at least then you can offer your input and maybe ensure you see something for your money.
if you are not in it how would you know what they say
good idea. Is there a law that says they must have a constitution though?
same out my way the local council think its ok for nettles to grow on the edge of playgrounds, they brought in this hippy policy as a cover for not cutting the grass. for my sins i'm lucky to be in a managed estate so at least teh grass is cut once a month.councils no longer do this at least not around here.
As other posters have said, you are over-thinking this. It sounds like the residents association consists of a few people who have got up off their asses and are doing some work to improve the area. Decide if you want these folk working on Articles of Association and constitutions, or do you want them working on getting the grass cut. The amount of money involved is tiny. Why not show a bit of trust in the people prepared to do the work, and give them a bit of support, and the €30, instead of nitpicking about formalities.I'm pretty sure that any legally formed body must have a constitution. its called the Memo & Arts of Association. they are the rules that govern how the group are run, how it elects officials, what its primary purpose is etc. that applies to companies and i'm 90% it applies to charities and again 90% to sports clubs/ assiciations and Residents associations may fall under that. your local council will have someone that is involved with all local community grops and they can inform you better.
There is no general obligation on the council to cut grass on housing estates.but your council are still responsible for cutting it, they just may not bother. if a number of individuals came together and applied pressure say thorgh your TDs, elected officials, actual local councilers and not the environmental department or parks department in the council and possible local media they'd find the money some how.
actually i'm not people think RAs are easy to set up, you get a group of like minded people together and away you go. its not that simple. it should be legally formed, be registered with the local council at the very least, i've also heard of some that are registered with the CRO under charitable organisations so they have no tax implications as they are non profit. but they do require a Memo & Arts.As other posters have said, you are over-thinking this.
It sounds like the residents association consists of a few people who have got up off their asses and are doing some work to improve the area.[/QUOTE
all aplaudable stuff
The amount of money involved is tiny. Why not show a bit of trust in the people prepared to do the work, and give them a bit of support, and the €30, instead of nitpicking about formalities..
Because if you dont think of the formalities like registration, liability insurance etc and something happens then ever person involvied has can be held liable for an unlimited amount. what happens if they decide to hire a lawn mower and someone losses a finger? it happens, who's going to compensate the person? extreme example? .
or another one, they keep going the grass cutting was a great success and the place looks lovely, and decide to start community events, great idea, lets have a street party. great idea, bouncey castle, deadly the kids will love it. you all chip in then on teh day little baby david does a tripple back flip out of it and splits himself on the concrete, who pays his medical bills and compo? every person involded is equally liable, it the association is properly formd and has a memo and arts it covers what their liability is (probably €1.27), and they should have liability insurance in place for these events
i'm not saying theres anything wrong with these groups but you caution anyone who jumps in head first without testing the water. make sure it is set up correctly and is run professionally not just by some group of people that want to use it as a stepping stone to a career in politics as i have seen happen, their over all agenda is to make it look like they are doing stuff but nothing actually gets done, the blame is placed elsewhere and the association gets all the praise for their "hard work"
There is no general obligation on the council to cut grass on housing estates.
i would have though that all local councel are responsible for the general upkeep of the area they are responsible for this includes waste dumping, drainage, lighting and grass cutting etc, they may only do it once a year but they are responsible for it
I'm pretty sure that any legally formed body must have a constitution. its called the Memo & Arts of Association. they are the rules that govern how the group are run, how it elects officials, what its primary purpose is etc.
i've also heard of some that are registered with the CRO under charitable organisations so they have no tax implications as they are non profit. but they do require a Memo & Arts.
What if baby David trips on the uncut grass and breaks a leg while you're fretting about the paper work? Who's going to pay his compo then?Because if you dont think of the formalities like registration, liability insurance etc and something happens then ever person involvied has can be held liable for an unlimited amount. what happens if they decide to hire a lawn mower and someone losses a finger? it happens, who's going to compensate the person? extreme example? .
or another one, they keep going the grass cutting was a great success and the place looks lovely, and decide to start community events, great idea, lets have a street party. great idea, bouncey castle, deadly the kids will love it. you all chip in then on teh day little baby david does a tripple back flip out of it and splits himself on the concrete, who pays his medical bills and compo? every person involded is equally liable, it the association is properly formd and has a memo and arts it covers what their liability is (probably €1.27), and they should have liability insurance in place for these events
i'm not saying theres anything wrong with these groups but you caution anyone who jumps in head first without testing the water. make sure it is set up correctly and is run professionally not just by some group of people that want to use it as a stepping stone to a career in politics as i have seen happen, their over all agenda is to make it look like they are doing stuff but nothing actually gets done, the blame is placed elsewhere and the association gets all the praise for their "hard work"
read something similiar before by the local council in my area, But I was told that it should be registered with the CRO as a non profit type organisation. hence the memo and arts and I fully understand the obligation to file ARsVery good handbook on residents associations here.
Fingal said:your local Residents Association represents all members of your estate/area,
Outsiders, especially potential funders, will want to see that your group is democratic and accountable. This involves having a clear procedure by which decisions are made
Complainer said:What if baby David trips on the uncut grass and breaks a leg while you're fretting about the paper work? Who's going to pay his compo then?
why don't you and yorrick keep out of itI agree with Yorrick. Let other residents pay for the upkeep. Its people like you that make this country great.
why don't you and yorrick keep out of it
why don't you and yorrick keep out of it
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