But there is no onus on employers to recognise unions as representing workers as pointed out by .crumdub12 said:The state recognises Unions, and if you have been mistreated by an employer, Unions will represent you, and bring cases to Labour Relations Commision / Labour Court.
Can you provide some evidence in support of this assertion please?1. There is a concerted campaign in O,Reilly media to ridicule/ demonize Unions.Constantly quoting public service Union grievances, stating we all have to pay for their demands, this is true, but does not give even view.
Why would this contribute to a downturn in union membership?2. Unions went into Partnership deal with Govt. , this limited the scope for Unions to negotiate, making part of their role irrevelant.
Can you expand on this point a bit more please?3. Unions have not kept up with pace of change in society, have not adapted to modern mediums to advertise / market their services.
Can you give some specific examples that support this assertion of a general undertone of portraying the unions in a negative light perhaps?crumdub12 said:As for specifics on Indo etc ... , there is a general undertone that shows Union movement in negative light, generally public sector.
I have never worked in unionised employment (bar a brief college stint in Bord Fáilte in 1985 which was presumably unionised but I was never approached about membership) and have never received nationally agreed pay increases.PESP Gov. / Union partnership is across the board pay raises, that suit some , and not others , Unions pre 1990s negotiated pay raises for different sectors, as they are now in partnership agreement, this is difficult
My father was a bricklayer and only ever had bad stories about his union particularly when they refused to represent him on an issue of pay and conditions. Another anecdotal experience but one that always sticks with me and probably colours my view of unions in general.As for lethargy among Unions Staff , this is unfortunate, Unions are normally only contacted when people are in trouble, and sometimes their response is less than adequate, part of my Union marketing Image problem , people are more inclined to talk about bad service , than good.
Joe Higgins did and he's one of our elected TDs. There was a long discussion here on AAM at the time about Conor Lenihan's "stick to the kebabs" comment during which I expressed the opinion that these seemed to be a case of stupidity rather than racism. However I guess we should keep discussion of this specific issue to that thread if necessary.crumdub12 said:The GAMA situation was not dealt with well, I believe a lot of intimidation was used against Turkish workers, and without overly defending SIPTU, they were dealing with agressive employers.Our politicians did not take this issue seriously, to the point of making racist comments about workers, and as a society should ask why we did not look for his resignation.
That is not the issue. The issue is that you have accused the the Indo and, it seems, the wider "O'Reilly media", of engaging in a deliberate campaign of, if not persecution then "ridicule/demonisation" (your words) but you have yet to provide some evidence that this is actually the case. I think that it's fair enough for people who make fairly serious claims to be challenged to provide some supporting evidence.When was the last time you read a truly positive story relating to Unions ??? , this crosses two points I made earlier, The Indo point , and the Union marketing point .... , How many Unions have press officers that contact the media with positive stories.... I am not saying Unions are being persecuted , there is a lot of arrogance in them, the original question was , can they change , and if they do, can they grow .
But then again, if you really want to look for 'root cause', shouldn't you blame the damn voters who voted for the Govt in the first place?Purple said:I agree that the government to ultimately responsible for the mess we are now in (relative to where we should be).
RainyDay said:She spends most of her time dealing with individual issues - bullying, cases brought to tribunals etc - rather than dealing with strikes
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I agree rainyday, but I honestly don't see the alternative as being any better and fear that it would be quite a bit worse. For me this is the least worst option. I find that really depressing.But then again, if you really want to look for 'root cause', shouldn't you blame the damn voters who voted for the Govt in the first place?
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