But it's not random, it was only after she had chatted with him about his response to a poll, so she was effectively doing the selection and it was based on her prejudices. Pollsters would generally be upper middle class therefore that's what's ending up on the citizens assembly.Citizens assembly members are randomly selected. The guy you heard of may have been confused by the fact that a polling company is used to carry out the selection process on behalf of the government.
Did they receive and respond to one of the 20k invitation letters prior to receiving the poll? Only those on the list were eligible to join.But it's not random, it was only after she had chatted with him about his response to a poll, so she was effectively doing the selection and it was based on her prejudices. Pollsters would generally be upper middle class therefore that's what's ending up on the citizens assembly.
Explain please, all news to me, so how are the 20k selected and how does that tie in with the polling company?Did they receive and respond to one of the 20k invitation letters prior to receiving the poll? Only those on the list were eligible to join.
A polling company was brought in to select 20k addresses randomly across the state. Letters were sent to those households inviting them to register their interest or otherwise on the selected topic. From the list of people who said they were interested, a further refinement was carried out aiming to achieve representation from across a number of criteria including age, socio-economic status, location, etc..Explain please, all news to me, so how are the 20k selected and how does that tie in with the polling company?
That’s exactly what I have been concerned about and highlighted in my first post in the thread I started on this topic.Confusion / disputes as to the legal implications of 'strive' in leaked advice from Attorney General:
Attorney General's advice to minister leaked ahead of referendums
The Ditch published an article containing the leaked advice from Rossa Fanning on the proposed care amendment to Roderic O’Gorman this afternoon.www.thejournal.ie
Well in the end I voted no, no and Mrs C surprisingly voted no, no as wellLooks like a no vote, the pollsters got it wrong yet again, serious questions have to be asked about these polls now
On a poll like this they should have been asking people not just yes or no but decided yes / leaning yes / undecided / leaning no / decided yesLooks like a no vote, the pollsters got it wrong yet again, serious questions have to be asked about these polls now
And how are they selecting their sample of population, the sample is obviously too small and wrongly targeted.On a poll like this they should have been asking people not just yes or no but decided yes / leaning yes / undecided / leaning no / decided yes
I don't know how much of this can be attached to the citizens assembly, as to how much at odds they were to the electorate. But it does suggest they are therefore not really adding anything of value. What was rejected by the electorate was the changes proposed by the government. The Citizens Assembly don't have the say on the wording of the changes. Entirely possible there would have been a majority for a different wording on both referenda. I don't think the electorate were against per se removing the "in the home" reference, or some sort of referendum on care.And how are they selecting their sample of population, the sample is obviously too small and wrongly targeted.
I'd say that's the end of the citizens assembly, how can it be so at odds with the actual electorate
Same with me, so even the aristocracy were NoNo. PaddyPower on Wednesday was betting even money on each being No, note didn't even require both. I really should have bet the castle on either or both Nos.Well in the end I voted no, no and Mrs C surprisingly voted no, no as well
Before we went out to vote late afternoon most as in 90% of the people we were in contact yesterday also voted no. no
Main reason given was although they wanted change they didn't fully understand what the wording actually meant !!
The danger is it’s filled with bigoted nutters, racists and xenophobes with their own right wing version of the kind of mindless populism that’s made the Shinners the biggest party in the country.Looks like Michael mcdowell after this success might be re entering politics, obviously filling a glaring gap whereby all the government parties and most of opposition out of line with electorate. Looks like a big gap in irish politics and Looks like there is a big market in that gap
A lot of people who voted No/No want it to be re-run with better wording and a more informative campaign.23 million euro absolutely wasted and SF doubled down in Feb pledging to rerun this blasted referendum if it failed....Anecdotally I've heard Eamon Ryan supposedly claim yesterday that it would be rerun (if Greens form part of next Govt).
These people are utterly delusional, all they are short of is applying clown paint prior to doing interviews.
Sinn Féin pledges to re-run referendums if they fall and the party gets into government
The party has said it will back a Yes vote in the family and care referendums in March.www.thejournal.ie Mary T Sweeney: Government’s attitude and €23m Referendum spend is insulting
“To hear reports or Eamon Ryan saying it will be rerun is adding insult to injury”www.donegallive.ie
Source?A lot of people who voted No/No want it to be re-run with better wording and a more informative campaign.
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