Yes, it’s very common.Is it common that employees in DC schemes are allowed to increase their contribution rate above the normal contribtion rate?
What I mean is as follows:
- employer pays 5% and employee must pay 5%
- Employee wants to contribute more, say 12% in total
- Is that always allowed?
So the extra 7% is called an AVC? Okay.
I'm more used to the PS, where AVC refers to something different.
You're wrong. An AVC is any contribution paid by the employees that is not required by the scheme rules. It's voluntary, and in addition to the required employee contribution (if any).Okay.
There is a question of terminology here.
An AVC typically refers to a wholly separate pension policy started between an employee and a firm like Zurich, etc., as an add-on policy, with a separate fund, separate to the main pension scheme.
For example teachers, nurses, etc. starting an AVC policy with Zurich or New Ireland to enhance their work DB pension.
Personally, I would not call increased employee contributions to your main scheme as an AVC.
Maybe I'm wrong.
judging by that slick website I’m guessing they would charge a pretty penny for their services
The only caveat I’d add to that Liam would be in relation to the 30% drawdown option that was introduced briefly in 2013/2014.I think that some of the confusion in this thread between AVCs and ordinary employee contributions to an Occupational Pension Scheme arises from a time when AVCs and ordinary contributions offered different options at retirement. An employee (not a director) could avail of an ARF in respect of AVC funds but not ordinary employee contributions. For this reason it was important to distinguish between the two. Some schemes went as far as having no ordinary employee contributions so that all employee contributions could be designated as AVCs.
In 2011 the rules were changed so that AVCs and ordinary employee contributions could all avail of the ARF options. Since then it makes no difference what you call employee contributions to an Occupational Pension Scheme.
Regards,
Liam
www.FergA.com
The only caveat I’d add to that Liam would be in relation to the 30% drawdown option that was introduced briefly in 2013/2014.
People were allowed to withdraw some of their AVCs.
I think that some of the confusion in this thread between AVCs and ordinary employee contributions to an Occupational Pension Scheme arises from a time when AVCs and ordinary contributions offered different options at retirement. An employee (not a director) could avail of an ARF in respect of AVC funds but not ordinary employee contributions. For this reason it was important to distinguish between the two. Some schemes went as far as having no ordinary employee contributions so that all employee contributions could be designated as AVCs.
In 2011 the rules were changed so that AVCs and ordinary employee contributions could all avail of the ARF options. These days it makes no difference what you call employee contributions to an Occupational Pension Scheme.
Regards,
Liam
www.FergA.com
My understanding was that a DC member who chooses salary and service for TFLS must buy an annuity but can still have the option to use any residual AVC fund to purchase an ARF ?
Thus giving the option to use more than one benefit option attached to the same employment.
I may be off the mark as I don’t work in financial services.
Liam,Thanks Deauville. I was posting in reply to some of the earlier posts in this thread which seemed to be confusing AVCs and ordinary employee contributions. Do AVCs automatically need to be with a different company or have different fund choices to the main scheme? No. Can you increase your ordinary contribution to a DC scheme without it being an AVC? Yes. Your point about someone who chooses to use salary and service to calculate their TFLS instead of 25% of fund is of course correct and I've edited my post.
If one was to chose a lump sum based on salary and service, only AVCs could then be ARFable so the distinction is still important.I think that some of the confusion in this thread between AVCs and ordinary employee contributions to an Occupational Pension Scheme arises from a time when AVCs and ordinary contributions offered different options at retirement. An employee (not a director) could avail of an ARF in respect of AVC funds but not ordinary employee contributions. For this reason it was important to distinguish between the two. Some schemes went as far as having no ordinary employee contributions so that all employee contributions could be designated as AVCs.
In 2011 the rules were changed so that AVCs and ordinary employee contributions could all avail of the ARF options, regardless of whether the contributions were ordinary employee contributions or AVCs.
Regards,
Liam
www.FergA.com
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