Was it not Albert Einstein who said "The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest"
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0203/economy.html
I would have thought this was clear by now given people have received a number of pay packets and would have been able to figure it out categorically.
Public Sector employees, does your, before tax, salary show a 7-8% cut or a 3-4% cut? (@55K)
Orka While some do work their way up the ranks, the vast majority of public servants start and finish their careers in relatively low paid clerical positions.
Nonsense. There is no public servant (excluding teachers) with 70 days leave.For example, I work with public servants who end up on 87k with 70 days leave.
No.
Teachers end up on 65-70k.
Nurses end up on 40-45k (???)
Guards end up on 50k+.
Doctors end up on 150k+.
So far, that would mean 100,000 workers+.
For example, I work with public servants who end up on 87k with 70 days leave.
My father today met up with his retired pals, all on 700 pw pension.
Very common, unremarkable, no big deal.
These are 3rd level teaching staff.
I assume that such staff are required to produce or contribute to academic works in their 'spare' time ? While the time off is, at face value, generous, are they not also required to use this time in support of their tenure ?
I assume that such staff are required to produce or contribute to academic works in their 'spare' time ? While the time off is, at face value, generous, are they not also required to use this time in support of their tenure ?
Ive a friend who is a 3rd level lecturer. Time off also includes a number of work related things to do, correct exams, revision of course material (depending on what you teach this is easier or harder, example my friend teaches subjects that change all the time - like politics, but other lecturers may be able to use notes from the previous year if the course doesnt change much - like physics for example), some meetings to organise schedules for the coming year and prior to exams there are usually extra hours put in assisting students with specific issues.
In saying that - he has more time off than anyone I know, works less hours than anyone I know and feels hard done by if his yearly timetable has individual day starts before 10am or finishes after 4pm.
Its a fantastic life tbh - wish Id thought of becoming a lecturer!!!
That would also be my experience of an acquaintance who is a third level lecturer!
Those figures are unreal. I am in private sector on similar to a teacher salary but my employer pays only 3.5% pension matching my 3.5% payment.
I'm looking at pension level of a pauper compared to those public figures.
They should thank themselves lucky and not be complaining.
I assume that such staff are required to produce or contribute to academic works in their 'spare' time ? While the time off is, at face value, generous, are they not also required to use this time in support of their tenure ?
This was a fine thread until Protocol starting 'shouting' in bold and it drifted into another PS bashing thread. Ah well...
In terms of making an academic contribution himself he has the choice or whether or not he wants to do his PhD. The advantage is that when its done he moves up to a higher payscale immediately. But if he doesnt do it he ends up on the higher payscale after a number of years anyway. Life will probably be reasonably stressful while doing it as it will take 5-7 years or so and will mean studying while working. Or he could just relax and wait for the higher pay thats guaranteed. 8 years in the job - no sign of PhD studies beginning.......
Bear in mind that those figures are final wages, not pension amounts.
Sorry if I overuse the bold font.
By the way, I am not against high public sector wages.
I just ask that in return, they are productive and accountable.
For example, by all means pay our teachers well, pay them the most in the world.
But for those high wages, in-service training should be done in July/Aug, the school year should increase from 167 days to 180 days, parent teacher meeting in the evenings, etc.
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