PS Uncertified Sick Leave

I don't know. I am paid uncertified sick leave up to 2 days (private sector) and AFAIK many people are - I have no idea how many uncertified sick days I am allowed per year - I am rarely off sick - 3 or 4 days in 10 years maybe?

The problem is one of attitude more than anything but I've no idea how to address that.
 
I assume you mean Public Service by the abbreviation PS and not the Private Service..... now I'm off to the pet hates thread with another thing that drives me mad....
 
I don't think it should be unpaid, but maybe 85-90% pay would be fair. There is some little saving for most people when not in work, although the bigger issue would be the dis-incentive to abuse the privilege.
 
There is no statutory obligation on any employer to pay sick leave. However many employers do pay it. Some grant an immediate entitlement under the employment contract, others only after a certain period of service whereby the employee "earns the right" as it were toi X number of sick days. The problem, unfortunately, with sick days ( especially uncertified ones) is that there will always be people who consider them additional holidays and ensure they take them, regardless of health condition.
 
It is unpaid in a lot of employers but even where it is paid, a manager should have the discretion to refuse. For example, I never sanction a days pay for "flu", if you have the flu, you're out for more then a week, not a day. Likewise I had a guy off for 2 days earlier in the year with severe sunburn, no arguement that he was sick, but why should we pay him for being a complete and utter pillock.
 
I don't think it's a big issue for most public sector employees. High figures are quoted for the prison service etc but this can be skewed by a small minority that take advantage. I wonder that the median amount is?
 
Im in the public sector 6 years and i have had 2 sick days. Both uncertified. One for the winter virus and the other for a broken toe i had to get an X ray on, seriously is this just another tread to drive a wedge between the public private sector. People in the private sector had it very good for a long time, when i joined the public sector 6 years ago i could have gotten a job no problem in the private sector for alot more money, dont judge us because we chose security over personal wealth. nobody joins the public sector to get rich.
 
Purple said:
I don't think it's a big issue for most public sector employees. High figures are quoted for the prison service etc but this can be skewed by a small minority that take advantage. I wonder that the median amount is?
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You do know that for a small minority of anything to skew the figures of the majority of that thing would take a huge variance from the norm from that said same minority?

Statistically speaking.
 
Initially I meant the public service given the ongoing discussions about reducing costs, but can see that in the private sector reduced uncertified sick pay would improve national competitiveness...so both.
 
To be fair i dont see a big difference between certified and non certified, i know of a doctor in cork who could certify for for a month for a runny nose if you asked him !!
 
Mpsox said:
It is unpaid in a lot of employers but even where it is paid, a manager should have the discretion to refuse. For example, I never sanction a days pay for "flu", if you have the flu, you're out for more then a week, not a day. Likewise I had a guy off for 2 days earlier in the year with severe sunburn, no arguement that he was sick, but why should we pay him for being a complete and utter pillock.
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We had a spate of skiing accidents - certified sick leave. I wanted it banned at a holiday. How would you have dealt with that.
 
becky said:
We had a spate of skiing accidents - certified sick leave. I wanted it banned at a holiday. How would you have dealt with that.
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Difficult one I agree, however I was asking about uncertified sick leave, such as the Mon & Fri type where it's obvious that a sickie is being pulled rather than an accident/injury.

I'm biased as I'm self employed where I am paid per day...if I'm off for whatever reason I'm not paid
 
whether its a "minority that skews the figures" or a majority taking the mickey, why is it tolerated?
 
There is nothing wrong with uncertified sick leave as long as it is monitored and managed. A tiny minority in the public and private sector abuse the privilage but it is up to the employers to take steps to stop this. The only people who win from having certified sick leave for every days illness are doctors. Also, there are health issues if people who are genuinely sick are forced to go into work because they can't afford or can't get access to a doctor on a particular day.
 
becky said:
We had a spate of skiing accidents - certified sick leave. I wanted it banned at a holiday. How would you have dealt with that.
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It's more difficult if it's certifed and in fairness, you can't ask people to wrap themselves in cotton wool outside of work. I played hurling and rugby and got a few knocks in my time but none of them were serious enough to warrant time off.

You could refer them to your company doctor (if you have one) or occ health specialist for a 2nd opinion/helping your employee as part of your responsibilities.
 
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