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I think his boss was shocked by the fact that he hadn't paid his rent as he was in full-time employment and there was therefore no obvious reason for the non-payment.Something fishy about this story. No half-sensible employer is going to get involved in a dispute like this. Most public sector employers are very, very cautious on HR matters. I find the idea of the employer agreeing with the landlord hard to believe.
If this is what happened, the employer was very naive. It was crazy to make a decision like this based on one side of the story. In fact, it was crazy for any employer to get anyway involved in this.I think his boss was shocked by the fact that he hadn't paid his rent as he was in full-time employment and there was therefore no obvious reason for the non-payment.
She indicated also that the employer felt for the landlord who was herself falling into debt due to the tenant's actions and he therefore agreed to take the employee's belongings.
Illegal eviction. 15-20K for the tenant which you would have a hard time recovering in lost rent and damage.Joe
IN one case in Dublin, I applied enough pressure that the abusers buzzed off eventually. On the day of departure, having for 3 months believed the property was lost, I did a quick check and found they had left but a window left broken and I got in. Door locks had been changed. I called police, detective came round. I explained problems. He said he had property himself and that same had happened and he could not use force, like force the door by breaking it. However, he did say he got lock smiths in when they were out and put their stuff in boxes outside and had a bouncer outside to ´´explain' the situation to the tenant when they returned. The tenant cannot enter again if door is jammed. Anyway the tenant left in my case on strength of strong legal letters. Turned out they had falsified refs and were in fact social security cases. The agent who gave me these tenants then appears before a hearing of the Auctioneers Society, there was a que out the door of people complaining against the agent. The young agent just sat at the hearing and refused to say anything all the time that the most serious questions were put to him. he has been in a fraud fo some kind with getting in bogus tenants. So they risked loosing dole-drink money if they were caught taking the social security money without passing it over to Landlord as rent allowance. Check with Social security in the area and explain, they will talk.
Falesly reporting a criminal offence is actually a criminal offence. Any 'criminal' tenant as you incorrectly call them will know their rights and will understand the civil nature of situation making the Gardai redundant. I suppose you see it as part of your campaign of terror that would only really work on good tenants.Finally, go to cop shop. bring a greyish looking person in a suit as a background witness. Sarg will meet you and all chances are that he will say fairly quickly, sorry no chance, civil territory. However, do this: Arrive to station : use following words: I want to report a criminal threat. Desk cop will generally do a bit of pussyfooting asking you to understand this is not a criminal case and paperwork is slow and all that. Be specific and very short on words. WHen he refuses, ask him if that particular station is not available to report crime, is it actually closed?, could he recommend one which does accept crime report? Be polite. Short on words. But take no prisoners. Make sure he understand you have a witness who could be your solicitor lurking in the background in the grey suit. This will liven things up a bit. All going well, you could get your tenant a visit from police and a trip to Garda station to give a nice statement. You will also give one just as you said, you have been threatened with menacing behaviour, threats make no doubth about it. Dont underplay it. This tends to help the tenant understand that things are just not so simple.
Finally, if all this is not showing good returns on investment, contact a security company that specialises in property. The bank does this for example. Basically, they will send in a bouncer to get a leg in the door. he then refuses to leave and occupies the bathroom on the first few days and reads a few mags and then tenant has to go to shop and eventually they make themsleves at home plus some body smells in living room, all the time staying overnight. It will cost a few grand anyway. The type of security people who do this have a certain special rapport with abuser tenants and often an abuser tenant can come to understand how well he sleeps and entertains for his new visitor.
Now some might say that all this is not completely diplomatic but still to make an omlette you have to break a few eggs. Remember going to pussy foot tenants rights forums will give you advice on how to avoid confrontation with the legal system but nothing more. The faster you get yr tenant out, probably the lower is your overall cost. You dont have to get directly involved in this yourself, you can do it as a campaign at a distance. Perhaps indeeed it is better not to be seen by the tenant. A vital ingredient is social security who represent authorities. If the tenant is camming you, there is a good chance they are scamming others. A good piece of information is to have the date of birth and social security number of you tenant when you visit the local dole office and make sure you leave you phone number so they can get back to you.
When you get yr property back, go through it carefully and check if any special tricks have been left. IN my case, needles had been left concealed in places that could have result in serious injury. Check if bills have been closed, what address was left to ESB.
All this sounds awful but you cannot let it benignly unfold in front of you.
Good luck.
RB
Do you think a landlord with a €1000 per month mortgage renting a €1000 per month house should subsidise the accommodation for someone else?Do you think the banks should send in the 'bouncers' if somebody falls behind their mortage payments by 6 months?
Do you think a landlord with a €1000 per month mortgage renting a €1000 per month house should subsidise the accommodation for someone else?
This is a totally different situation, the bank is hardly likely to go bust because someone defaults on their mortgage repayments.Do you think a bank and its shareholders with €700 per month interest payments should subsidise the accommodation for someone else?
hahah no that would never happen. How about the 400 or so banks in the USA that went bust in the last year or the maybe all the Irish banks that rely on state support to stay in business.This is a totally different situation, the bank is hardly likely to go bust because someone defaults on their mortgage repayments.
You don't know much about the situation if you think illegal evictions are the norm buddy.hahah no that would never happen. How about the 400 or so banks in the USA that went bust in the last year or the maybe all the Irish banks that rely on state support to stay in business.
The two situations are comparable. The methods banks use to recover their money are fair and legal but the average Irish landlord prefers the cowboy approach and I enjoy nothing better than seeing them lose 20K for their disgusting actions.
Your question was idiotic.I see you never answered my question about whether a landlord who is just keeping his head above water should go to work to pay the mortgage for someone else to live in, cost free? (ie, steal the accommodation from the landlord).
Still evading the question then. I'll pose it again so....Your question was idiotic.
Renting accomodation is a business so I don't care for bleeding heart stories any more than any other business owner. Landlords should follow the rule of law in evicting non paying tenants and in recovery of money. If they don't like the current legislation they should have never got in the business.
If they were more professional in running their business then they wouldn't feel the need to break the law. Most of them would be better off out of business.
Landlords should follow the rule of law in evicting non paying tenants and in recovery of money. If they don't like the current legislation they should have never got in the business.
As idiotic as comparing a small time landlord to a large bank with government bailouts to back them up, no doubt. ;-)I told you it was an idiotic question or at least a rhetorical one.
That's all you had to say like a good lad.Of course it is not ok.
No, but I can understand a landlord who is about to lose his property to repossession using more direct tactics than relying on the absolutely useless PRTB (whom landlords totally fund ironically).Do you advocate a landlord breaking the law to recover monies owed?
Ever had to call on it? Ever registered a tenancy with them and waited for the confirmation?The PTRB is not useless.
Or in the right.Landlords have a perception that it is because so many of them are in the wrong.
Eventually, maybe. However the landlord's property could well be gone by the time they get around to a judgement and then what happens when the tenant ignores the PRTB?They are in independant ajudicator and will find against tenants if they haven't paid rent.
It was sold to landlords as a fast track system and hence the €70 charge for every tenancy (and the repeating €70 charge every 4 years even when tenants don't move out) was supposed to remove the problems from the slow legal system (the courts) and speed it up. It has totally failed to do that and all landlords would gladly return to the old system.It may be a slow process but such is the nature of the legal process.
How much contingency should a business have to put aside? A years rent or more? Should a landlord really have €15,000 on standby to pay for the roof over a thieving tenant's head?Its the fault of landlords if they are running a business with zero contingency money for non paying tenants.
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