icantbelieve said:Where would you draw the line redbhoy, that's a very big brother like society you are putting together where the government interferes with anything we could do that might break the law.
What risk do you think a max speed limiter might pose?Leo said:Speed limiters are not a viable solution to road deaths and pose further risks, if not they would be in use world wide.
Simplistic as it may be, surely the more time repeat offenders spend in prison the less time they have to be directly involved in assaults, murder, robbery etc.RainyDay said:Is there any evidence that tougher sentencing leads to reduced crime levels?
shnaek said:Iwe will no longer live in a malibu-enjoying-life-easy-going country.
Every step we move closer to a police state is another nail in that coffinredbhoy said:I assume you are having a laugh here, right? Long gone are the days of picture postcard Ireland and the land of a 1000 welcomes.
Agreed. Our affluence has been very poorly managed. The state has been managed with the maximising of wealth in mind, instead of maximising quality of living.redbhoy said:Face facts the more affluent we've become , the more decadent our society has become.
Who? Fine Fail? Sin Fein? You? Me? Michael Mc Dowell? Labour? Your neighbours? What are they going to be monitoring?redbhoy said:We need someone to monitor the goings on in this country.
Agreed once again. The only ones with the full facts are the Gardai and the Judges in the court. Now I am no bleeding heart liberal, but I have studied law and I do have respect for the principles of innocent until proven guilty. I also understand how demoralising it is for the gardai to be arresting people and then have those same people out on the streets shortly after. A balance must be achieved. But we must also consider the value of prison - and perhaps consider more imaginative means of dealing with criminals that actually achieve results.redbhoy said:This problem is similar to the one in the North in my view. People down here all too willing to give an opinion when they dont have the full facts and they dont live through the day to day aspects of the problem.
No one ever arrested me and put me in jail even though I was innocent so this must never happen.redbhoy said:Ah sure, we dont need all these laws, no-ones ever shot at me before so the country must be ok??
That is why we have an impartial judiciary. The law is not there to enforce the old testament view of eye for eye. It is there to enforce justice. Of course you or I would demand the severest punishment possible if you or I or the ones we loved were the victim of serious crime. But to allow you or I to determine the punishment would not be a just way of dealing with the crime.redbhoy said:All things change when something happens on the person themselves. Lets see what happens when someone gets shot at a party out in D4 some night! The troops will be rallied then I bet!
The missing sense of community in my opinion is by far the most serious problem here. We look for quick fixes. But every day we stand by as estates are built with no community services. When did any of us last call into our neighbour to say hello? When did we last get involved in a community activity?redbhoy said:I do agree with the sense of community being gone though. If someone reprimands a child these days thats not his own it can lead to a family feud whereas it was supposed to just be helping a neighbour out in rearing their child?
Anything which takes any level of control away from the driver of a vehicle poses a risk. Leeds Uni carried out research that showed a deterioration in driving with such devices fitted in areas such as traffic light violations, tailgating, and speed while driving in fog. It also showed an increased accident rate.michaelm said:What risk do you think a max speed limiter might pose?
I'd like to see the data to support this conclusion.michaelm said:What risk do you think a max speed limiter might pose?Simplistic as it may be, surely the more time repeat offenders spend in prison the less time they have to be directly involved in assaults, murder, robbery etc.
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