Physical Distancing

Hey Leper,

Is that a biteen of a back handed compliment...……..the initial soft spot for Purple is later explained on account of him being a...……...soft target?!

In fairness, in all fairness, fella, like (you live in Cork, right?) - Purple strikes me as being more able than most to hold his own in de real world!
A backhanded compliment from a Corkman is the same as a normal compliment from anyone else.
 
and to answer your question I won't be wearing a face mask or plastic gloves mainly because (i) they are almost ineffective and
I see that they are now talking of aerosols floating in the air containing Covid-19 particles. Do you not think that masks will help you from breathing these things in?
 
I see that they are now talking of aerosols floating in the air containing Covid-19 particles. Do you not think that masks will help you from breathing these things in?
Yes, that's the point of wearing masks in shops etc. (respirators rather than surgical masks) as far as I can see. They just don't know to what extent Covid hangs around in the air and what level of risk this poses. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
 
Yes, that's the point of wearing masks in shops etc. (respirators rather than surgical masks) as far as I can see.

Very limited [broken link removed], but shows the masks don't prevent aerosol level particles generated by coughs or sneezes.
 
Very limited [broken link removed], but shows the masks don't prevent aerosol level particles generated by coughs or sneezes.
That study compares surgical masks with cotton masks, not respirator masks, if you read my post you'll see I specified respirators, not surgical masks.
 
That study compares surgical masks with cotton masks, not respirator masks, if you read my post you'll see I specified respirators, not surgical masks.

Fair enough, but I had assumed the other posters were all talking about regular masks, not respirators. Approved surgical masks block 95% of aerosol matter, N95 respirators block 97%. Not a vast difference.

Much of the medical advise here has been aimed at those with symptoms wearing masks to prevent them infecting others around them. it's important such people should use masks and not respirators as the exhaust valves in the latter does nothing to filter exhalation and would only accelerate it through the valve opening. Respirators tend to be a lot more expensive, so might discourage people from discarding them after each use.
 
We could all use with supplied air respirators and hazmat suits. That way we'd reduce the chance of infection very slightly and it would only cost a fortune...
You can wear gloves and a respiratory mask and whatever else you like but if you are handling your car keys, opening you car door, sitting into you car, opening your front door, handling produce in shops and then bringing it into you home or any number of other things then you can still get infected.

Washing your hands more often is a far better option than wearing a mask or gloves as without very tight protocols you will still cross contaminate when using them. Hand washing breaks the transmission chain.

The best containment measure of all is still social distancing because being around the infection and not bringing it into your home is very difficult.
 
You can wear gloves and a respiratory mask and whatever else you like but if you are handling your car keys, opening you car door, sitting into you car, opening your front door, handling produce in shops and then bringing it into you home or any number of other things then you can still get infected.
Washing your hands more often is a far better option than wearing a mask or gloves as without very tight protocols you will still cross contaminate when using them. Hand washing breaks the transmission chain.
The best containment measure of all is still social distancing because being around the infection and not bringing it into your home is very difficult.

I'm not saying don't wash your hands, but the reason to wear a mask while shopping is that while you can wash your hands afterwards you can't "wash your breath".
 
Washing your hands more often is a far better option than wearing a mask or gloves as without very tight protocols you will still cross contaminate when using them. Hand washing breaks the transmission chain.

Human behaviour is quite interesting at times like these when people are worried and looking for answers / solutions. Simple fixes like washing your hands more often does not resonate with many people in the way going out and buying specialised PPE does, many of those people end up misusing the PPE and increasing their risk factor.

The same goes with understanding the origins of the virus, many are happy to believe it's a human creation rather than try to understand the science that shows that is very unlikely. Some take it futher and fall for the nonsense that 5G is playing a role and go out and attack any old cell tower they see even if it's not one carrying 5G!!
 
I'm not saying don't wash your hands, but the reason to wear a mask while shopping is that while you can wash your hands afterwards you can't "wash your breath".
If you get into your car after shopping and take off your mask with hands that are not washed you increase your chance of infecting yourself. If you handle your keys with your gloves on and then handle them again with your gloves off you increase the chance of infecting yourself.
Surface contact has always been a more common form of transmission of respiratory viruses than aerosol transmission.
 
I keep alcohol gels and bacterial wipes in my car. Everything get a wipe down, steering wheel, gear stick, indicators, seat belt buckle, door handles, keys etc

Supermarket items get a wipe down and left to one side for a few days. Sorry I didn't keep that second fridge that I dumped years ago.

At home, my post is left unopened for two days.

There are about 500 cases a day in Ireland, probably dating back to the end of March, these people had to pick up the virus somewhere.
 
If you get into your car after shopping and take off your mask with hands that are not washed you increase your chance of infecting yourself. If you handle your keys with your gloves on and then handle them again with your gloves off you increase the chance of infecting yourself.
Surface contact has always been a more common form of transmission of respiratory viruses than aerosol transmission.

IN your scenario, the mask changed nothing. IF the hands were not washed the keys are already infected.
You have to treat the mask as another public item like a piece of shopping.
Take off mask, then take off gloves.
 
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IN your scenario, the mask changed nothing. IF the hands were not washed the keys are already infected.
You have to treat the mask as another public item like a piece of shopping.
Take off mask, then take off gloves.
Exactly. Masks are a waste of time unless you have a very strict procedure for using them.
 
I keep alcohol gels and bacterial wipes in my car. Everything get a wipe down, steering wheel, gear stick, indicators, seat belt buckle, door handles, keys etc

Supermarket items get a wipe down and left to one side for a few days. Sorry I didn't keep that second fridge that I dumped years ago.

At home, my post is left unopened for two days.

There are about 500 cases a day in Ireland, probably dating back to the end of March, these people had to pick up the virus somewhere.
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Exactly. Masks are a waste of time unless you have a very strict procedure for using them.

You need to have a strict procedure for shopping fullstop, depending on how much risk you want to run re: transmission from items.
If it can be spread by e.g. someone touching a milk carton and putting it down and you picking it up X hours later.
 
You need to have a strict procedure for shopping fullstop, depending on how much risk you want to run re: transmission from items.
If it can be spread by e.g. someone touching a milk carton and putting it down and you picking it up X hours later.
Yep, so I just roll the dice and takes me chances.
 
I have found 70%+ of couples / families I pass when walking make ZERO effort to go single file, or in many cases to even mpve to one side of the path - even two abreast. Most of the time I have to walk a metre or two onto the road (checking for cars beforehand) and give them a glare but it has absolutely no impact! I am now considering approaching people and saying "would you mind moving aside to help keep a distance please" or something to that effect. Is it OTT??
The above was posted last April. Since then I have to say that nothing has changed. In fact social distancing outdoors has completely gone by the wayside in my opinion.
Have the rules changed? Is it still advisable to social distance outdoors when passing on footpaths etc?
 
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