cara mc k said:I know we all have to pay VAT and it's the law but I pay so much out of my wage packet and our budget is tight.
What do you think?
cara mc k said:Many thanks for your replies (including Ubiquitous, who would like to see me in Mountjoy)
I know it is wrong, but since had to pay stamp duty, feel taxed at every turn.
Don't we all!cara mc k said:I ... feel taxed at every turn.
The queries raised in this thread did not involve normal business transactions where a consumer buys goods or services from a supplier, where the latter retains responsibility for all aspects of VAT & tax compliance. Instead it concerned a situation where a consumer proposed to deliberately induce or encourage the supplier to evade tax so that the consumer could pocket the difference. That in my mind is "aiding and abetting" tax evasion, now a criminal offence.Betsy Og said:A few points
1) Its not an offence to pay with cash
2) You are not responsible for policing the tax affairs of your supplier/builder.
3) In return for cash he agreed to give you a discount, nothing unusual or illegal in that. The amount you paid in cash was of course inclusive of VAT and the sole obligation to account for that VAT, and indeed the underlying income, rests with the supplier/tradesman. You are not obliged to, and should resist all attempts to be forced to, become a tax inspector.
Betsy Og said:they'd be better off peeing it against a wall that gladly forking it over to government to be burned on the pire of incompentence.
Betsy Og said:In this great country you get bad value for the tax you pay, you have to pay for everything yourself a second time: e.g. health care, eduacation
There are plenty of instances of multiple taxation, e.g. excise of fuel, motor tax, toll charges, and of course scandalous VRT. Selective EU policy adoption is rather galling.
The instance of wastage of taxpayers funds is very lamentable - countless consultants reports where to come in to ask you what you think and then tell you back what you told them, health service black hole, toll bridge giveaways, ridiculous liability cap for religious orders for abuse cases, nursing home pay off (they should have got the legislation right straightaway or at least nipped it in the bud years ago), massive infrastructure overruns - the Luas had 3 reports before anything could be done.... meanwhile the cost of everything was skyrocketing, electronic voting, and this very morning I hear theres to be initially hundreds of thousands spent on reporting on a postcode system and no doubt millions to implement it including unions pay outs for f* all just so we can have a more efficient junk mail service ... and of course you'll have to pay for getting rid of the junk mail.
ClubMan said:If you have some suggestions about how things might be done better then why not campaign for change rather than insinuating that people should ignore the rules and thereby exacerbate the situation?
Paying cash to avoid VAT is facilitating tax evasion.
If less of this went on then we might all pay less taxes overall.
not too many people will condone tax evasion.
cara mc k said:The reason I ask is a fireplace shop offered us VAT free if we paid cash, without us even asking. I know we all have to pay VAT and it's the law but I pay so much out of my wage packet and our budget is tight.
What do you think?
Cara mc K
This is no co-incidence. The reason why the PD's didn't have a candidate is because they didn't think they'd have a chance of getting elected given their extreme right wing views. This is a clear indication that the majority of voters don't support their (and possibly your) position. Of course, if you have any real concern over this, you could always join your local branch of the PD's and invigorate them - get yourself onto the local council and you'll be ready to stand yourself for the Dail in the 2012 General Election. Or perhaps you're not really that bothered, are you?Betsy Og said:Rainyday - some of your arguments are so simplistic as to be totally naieve. "If you dont like the system then change it" - just like that.
I'd have no trouble voting PD, didnt have a candidate in my constituency.
This is a cop-out and you know it. You might manage to fool yourself, but you don't fool the rest of us. This is facilitating tax evasion - plain & simple. Have the decency to stand up and be proud of the fact that you are encouraging buyers to rip-off their fellow citizens instead of weaseling out on a technicality.Betsy Og said:To reiterate my main point - there is nothing to stop the trader in the example doing the right thing from a tax point of view - the customer got a cash discount - thats as far as it goes for the customer.
As a constructive suggestion why not put all of your complaints, observations and suggestions in a letter to your local elected representatives and maybe the Department/Minister of Finance?
It is a great line that I learnt from you, all right - but in all fairness, didn't you steal it from the writers of the West Wing?daltonr said:BTW Rainyday stop stealing my Government small enough to fit in your bedroom joke.
You know it applies to US Republicans.Bedrooms in new Irish houses are so small that it doesn't apply over here.
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