yeah i'd agree with frank as well on the price and dropping down the years rather than buying new. ive an 07 opel vivaro paid a little over 20k for it,new, LWB great van etc but again ive seen 08 vans with V little mileage for 10k and dont forget if lads arent doing much work a 2 or 3 year old van would'nt have gotten the abuse that it would have in the boom when lads were a lot busier