jem said:Freedom to associate is part of Irish law.
Why shouldn't men be allowed to make their own rules for their club.
RainyDay said:While I don't disagree with the principle of having a men-only club, this isn't really the case with Portmarnock and many other golf clubs, where the ladies are allow to play & lunch, but not to vote. If it's a men-only club, why don't they show the courage of their convictions and stop the ladies from playing too.
RainyDay said:While I don't disagree with the principle of having a men-only club, this isn't really the case with Portmarnock and many other golf clubs, where the ladies are allow to play & lunch, but not to vote. If it's a men-only club, why don't they show the courage of their convictions and stop the ladies from playing too.
In other words, those that beat the drum hardest on equality are often the most unequal in their attitude.
Marion said:Could you provide a couple of examples?
Marion
That's pretty much how I fee about it as well.But... I wouldn't join a Men Only Golf Club. I wouldn't accept a free membership card to Portmarnock. And I reserve the right to consider those members who wish to preserve the no votes for momen situation to be sexist assholes.
I don't agree with their stance, But I'll happily defend their right to hold it.
A private members club should be able to restrict it's membership but allowing a pub to restrict access on the basis of colour, race, religion etc would IMHO, be wrong.I belive that business should have the right to do business only with whoever they want. If a pub doesn't want to serve a section of society they should have that right.Their business could suffer due to limiting its customer base but it should be their choice.
I don't care what exclusive clubs get set up either but I don't agree that they should obtain any imprimatur from the state (such as in the form of licenses to sell alcohol) if they discriminate on the grounds laid out in the equality legislation.
MarionOn the other hand, men, and especially fathers, have also suffered at the hands of prescriptive family policy practices based on gender stereotypes. The definition of women as carers has underpinned the marginalisation of men as emotionally significant in their children’s lives (O'Connor, 1998), as well as their discrimination in relation to social welfare entitlements as carers (Kennedy, 2001). This marginalisation has recently been found to be even more significant in the case of vulnerable fathers, including unmarried, and separated fathers (Ferguson and Hogan, 2004).
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