Notional service or AVCs?

DrMoriarty

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This may be another of those unanswerable "predict-the-future"-type questions, but I'd be interested in hearing opinions anyway!

I'm 41, in a public sector (defined benefits) scheme and if I retire at 65 I'll be 1 year and 220 days short of a full pension — that's after finally managing to transfer some previous reckonable service. I've been told my options are to purchase notional service and spread it over the next 24 years, or buy AVCs (as per this Faq). Which makes most sense?
 
Since the experts seem to have gone AWOL, and mindful of RainyDay's advice about not only asking Q's (mea cupla ), here's my 2p worth. It looks to me like a "no brainer" as ClubMan might say. If not my reply will surely trigger corrections . If AVC's are dependant upon "fund performance" whereas purchase of notional service years will be indexed linked (and increase your lump sum) the choice seems obvious. Depends, I suppose, on whether you'd take a chance on the growth of the AVC fund and might come out better. I have no idea whether the costs would be different. Everyone seems to believe that ps and cs pensions are far better than private ones, so they must be right.

One thought does occur and would depend on whether (a) it would be possible and (b) you could afford it. If you purchased more years than you anticipate needing, it would allow you to retire earlier than at 65. In order to retire at 65 you'd need 40 years of service and if you were to retire at say 62, three years would be deducted from the 40 resulting in a reduced pension. However, if you had 43 years service (worked plus purchased via notional service) at 65, that would allow you to retire at 62 since you'd still have the required 40 years. I hope that makes sense.

Of course you might be delighted to work till 65 and not need those extra years (!) but, in that case, the money you paid in would be refunded less the tax relief granted. Surplus years would be a sort of insurance policy that would leave you with the option of earlier retirement. Doesn't the ps/cs employer have to match the amount you'd pay for notional service years and not with AVCs? If that is true (I don't know) going the AVC route would cost the employer less. I notice, from the link, reference is made to an old scheme which ended in 1990; if that doesn't apply to you then what I have written is largely irrelevant.
 
Yep, an absolute no-brainer. Buy the service you're short. BUT, IIRC, you cannot buy "extra" years to enable you to retire early as suggested by sherib. You are limited to purchasing no more service than will bring your total (actual plus purchased) service at 65 up to 40 years.Nothing to stop you purchasing the year and a bit and then going down the AVC road. Or perhaps a PRSA? AVC's tend to have large charges.........
 
Thanks guys, you've confirmed my hunch. I suppose the cost of 1 year 220 days' worth is not a huge sum in the first place, particularly spread over 24 years — and yes, Observer's right, I can only purchase up to a total of 40 years at age 65. If I wanted to go early or have a bigger lump sum than the standard 1.5 x final salary, I'd have to fund that through AVCs or a separate PRSA.
 
Even if you joined today at age 20 and would have 40 years service at the age of 60 you can't retire at 65 since the changes in April 2004 was my understanding, as the benefits are actuarily reduced no??

Answer 13 in this link as the hyperlink is not working.
http://www.cspensions.gov.ie/faq2.asp#Annex 1
 
Dr Moriarty

Notional service is the better option. Glad to hear you finally managed to transfer some previous reckonable service. Was the previous reckonable service in the private or public sector as it seems to have taken you an inordinate amount of time to sort it?

Regards, Liz
 
Cheers, Eliza.

Yep, it was 2 years and 267 (wonderful) days of public sector employment. Took about a dozen letters over the past 5 years to get the relevant Pensions officer to get her finger out and confirm the details I'd provided to her to the DES, and for the DES then to confirm to my present employer that the service was indeed transferable... contrary to what I'd been told at first!
 
what should you do if you are transferring into the public service, like me, are aged 29, and have about 20k in a pension plan from current private sector employment??