My point was that my experience in the IT market suggests a significant element of the difficulty in filling roles at the moment is driven by a shortage of suitable candidates. With employment levels where they are currently, that can't be ruled out as a factor for physically demanding roles either.
If (suitable) jobs and conditions are available, people will work them.
It could be argued that the fact there 5% of the workforce still unemployed (plus how many more on 'training scchemes' or very few hours) while there are open vacancies across the full spectrum of skills that there is an element who choose social welfare over gainful employment.
.My point was that my experience in the IT market suggests a significant element of the difficulty in filling roles at the moment is driven by a shortage of suitable candidates.
But if the pay is fair, the conditions are suitable
Labouring is labouring and packing shelves is packing shelves. There are some jobs that are just low skilled and low value add and so are low paid. Generally they are entry level jobs and as people acquire skills they get more pay. The employer may be unable to find a suitable candidate from those applying because many of those who would otherwise apply don't do so as they are as well off on welfare.Of course there may be 'an element' of that. But if the pay is fair, the conditions are suitable, generally the issue is that the employer cannot find a suitable candidate from those applying for the job rather than people not applying to get the job because welfare is preferential.
Some people's perception of fair and suitable don't quite tally with the reality of their skill set. And there's little doubt some people prefer the pay and conditions of lounging on their couch or the bar stool collecting social welfare than engaging in the workforce and working ~40 hours a week for little extra. Spend enough time in some quality inner city establishments and you'll meet some of them.
Some people's perception of fair and suitable don't quite tally with the reality of their skill set.
And there's little doubt some people prefer the pay and conditions of lounging on their couch or the bar stool collecting social welfare than engaging in the workforce and working ~40 hours a week for little extra.
Labouring is labouring and packing shelves is packing shelves
There are some jobs that are just low skilled and low value add and so are low paid. Generally they are entry level jobs and as people acquire skills they get more pay.
The employer may be unable to find a suitable candidate from those applying because many of those who would otherwise apply don't do so as they are as well off on welfare.
What would you suggest?What are we going to do with these employers who wont give some of these people jobs?
What would you suggest?
Or they have skillsets beyond what is being offered? Or in previous jobs they commanded a hourly rate of €x per hour, paid PRSI, USC etc...now they are being offered less, de-motivating. Or they apply but because they are in their 50's aren't as mobile as the young fellas who work faster and cheaper.
if they are as well off on welfare then employers need to start paying better wages.
If people are not hired then there is a more suitable candidate for that job. The applicant need to set their sites at jobs which match their economic value and skill set.Or is there a chance that, some do at least apply for jobs but they are not hired?
I'm not sure what you mean by that. In my case we hire unskilled people and train them up over a 3-5 year period. Of course they need 10 years plus of training and experience to get to the top of their "profession". For every 8 people we take on 5 are gone within a year. Sometimes it is because they are unsuitable (not smart enough, not really interested in working, only taking the job so that they can leave and keep claiming welfare, get a better offer elsewhere). We take on people of all ages (almost always male applicants though). We, like so many others, are actively seeking employees, both skilled an unskilled. Skilled staff are almost impossible to get (factory work, paying between €40k and €80 a year). If anyone wants a job they have a job.What are we going to do with these employers who wont give some of these people jobs?
Yes, but primerally there is a shortage of skilled labour. In many businesses if there is a shortage of unskilled labour at economic prices the business automates the process, redesigns the process so that the requirement for unskilled labour is reduced or removed or the business goes bust. The socialist idea that in this country there are a bunch of fat cognac drinking, cigar smoking old men resting on their fortunes while exploiting the masses of the great unwashed is nonsense. It is a sellers market when it comes to labour.Is there a shortage of labourers? Is there a shortage of shelve packers?
Sure, all of that could be the case.Or they have skillsets beyond what is being offered? Or in previous jobs they commanded a hourly rate of €x per hour, paid PRSI, USC etc...now they are being offered less, de-motivating. Or they apply but because they are in their 50's aren't as mobile as the young fellas who work faster and cheaper.
So the economic value of labour, the value they add to the business, should not dictate the wage someone is paid?if they are as well off on welfare then employers need to start paying better wages.
Maybe think about it some more. You are very good at knocking other peoples views and suggestions but not so hot on being constructive. It's easy to just knock things all the time but things get better when people are constructive.Im not sure, thats why I asked the question.
Massive generalisation there Leo, I'm surprised & shocked. Don't you know they are not actually in the pub drinking their welfare...they're in there networking and actively trying to get work!
If only these people would get up off their bar stools and go to work and take up the low-paid employment offers. Btw, is there a demand for these bar-stool welfare couch potatoes? Are you hiring?
Or is there a chance that, some do at least apply for jobs but they are not hired? What are we going to do with these employers who wont give some of these people jobs?
You are very good at knocking other peoples views and suggestions but not so hot on being constructive. It's easy to just knock things all the time but things get better when people are constructive.
over 50% of irish population is on welfare of some sort and this ratio is increasing all the time. I think we are reaching a tipping point where people are choosing not to work or not to work full time and to fall back on the welfare system. There are less and less people prepared to work full time to finance all this. So we have people on welfare and on the housing list and these people refuse to take up jobs to build those very houses. Somethings gotta change
I am at the moment actually, but of course I won't hire anyone who has happily sat on a bar stool for an extended period
That's my point. Some people want these bar-stoolers to go out and work. But if employers wont hire them, how are they supposed to get work? They don't want to work, and employers don't want to hire them.
This is the 'element' we spoke of earlier, but by no means do they make up anywhere near the 5% still unemployed.
The only effective way of dealing with it is to change the mindset of those individuals.
I don't think anyone is suggesting they make up the full 5%, or is even attempting to put a real number on it, but that doesn't mean this choice should be effectively encouraged or endorsed in any way. If the welfare system in any way makes it attractive for people to choose not to work, it needs to change.
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