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All the talk about seismic change during the RTE election coverage RTE is exaggerated. FF/FG (60%) won 94 of the 158 seats between them. When you add in the "Independents" who were ex FF/FG, that percentage is even higher.
 
FF/FG 95 out of 166 in 2011 to 94 out of 158 this time round. Notwithstanding Purple's take on things is this really a shift to the left?:rolleyes:
 
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No shift to the Left. But that won't stop them from shouting loudly that there has been and the Media will give them plenty of opportunity to do that shouting.

All those talk also from Ogle (who didn't have the xxxx to run himself) that 120 or so TDs are against water charges (Labour and FG excluded). Not true....FF just want them shelved for 5 years while Irish Water gets up to speed with the leaks.
So the majority of TDs are in favour of keeping Irish Water.

SF had a bad election
PBP/AAP just got 6 seats...up 2 I think
Joe Higgins has retired

The Irish Left....all noise
 
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FF/FG up from 86 out of 183 to 94 out of 158. Not withstanding Purple's take on things is this really a shift to the left?:rolleyes:
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My point is that both FF and FG are center left parties. FG in particular has shifted to the left. The rest were already there.
 
I think though this time the combined share of the first preference vote for FF\FG was just under 50%... That is significant in terms of showing the splintering away from the 2 main parties. In 2007, it was 70%.

Another way to look at it is that FF and FG are centrist, but that the center in Ireland at the moment has tilted left. You'd have to swim against the current to stay right.
 
Let's face it, the Irish people have very little appetite for left-wing politics. AAA/PBP didn't win very many seats in the 2011 and 2016 general elections. If they couldn't take advantage of the huge financial meltdown, they never will.

Compare it to the situation in Spain. The very left-wing "Podemos" won a large number of seats in the recent Spanish election. Ditto Syriza in Greece. That has never happened in Ireland.
 
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Compare it to the situation in Spain. The very left-wing "Podemos" won a large number of seats in the recent Spanish election. Ditto Syriza in Greece. That has never happened in Ireland.
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You are correct. And what are these parties achieving for their people. From what I read they are making things worse by the day and unemployment rising as well as Government borrowing rates increasing. Businesses closures rising.

There are dreamers here to who need to wake up here to or it could happen.
 
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Good article from the Journal on this topic...
http://www.thejournal.ie/three-main...ents-sinn-fein-election-2016-2629283-Mar2016/

THE SHARE OF TDs in the new Dáil coming from the three main parties – Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Labour – is the lowest it has ever been. And more than one third (36%) of the representation in our national parliament belongs to Sinn Féin, Independents and smaller parties. This is the highest it has been since 1933, the last election before Cumann na nGaedheal coalesced into the modern Fine Gael party...
For the last 50 years up until 2011, the three main parties have held between 80% and 99% of seats in the Dáil... Just before the 1987 election, the main parties held a now-unimaginable 95% of seats.
 
It's hardly seismic change though and it's not much of a shift to the left. Many of the Independents are ex-FF/FG. The Social Democrats just look like a rebranded version of Labour. AAA/PBP is the only party that attracts hardline left-wingers. They failed miserably. Many people vote Sinn Fein for their republicanism rather than any left-wing ideology.
 
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