According to the benchmarking body - its report said the cost of its recommendations would be around €50m a year, representing an average increase of 0.3% in total pay costs.
If 50million is .3%, then the total cost is 16.666 Billion (or am I off in my maths here?) Either way, what is covered by benchmarking (and thus this topic) is a hell of a lot more than the 1 and a half billion mentioned.
These costs are for consequential pay increases in private sector organisations doing public services where the Government has agreed to increase the payments it makes to these organisations in line with civil and public service pay rates. Again, done for politicial reasons rather than legal reasons. There is no reason why the Government should be determining the pay of private sector employees in hospitals - it should be up to the hospital owners to negotiate pay with their own staff and set their own rates.
These costs are for consequential pay increases in private sector organisations doing public services where the Government has agreed to increase the payments it makes to these organisations in line with civil and public service pay rates. .... There is no reason why the Government should be determining the pay of private sector employees in hospitals - it should be up to the hospital owners to negotiate pay with their own staff and set their own rates.
Purple,
your bitterness is shocking....get back to work to contribute to the nations taxes..
So how many of them would cross the picket if the government tried to change things so that those who work hard and well are rewarded and the dead wood was removed (i.e. the idiots were sacked)?seriously, many civil servants are frustrated at the 'yes minister' attitude and lack of career progression, are very professional in their work, are not members of unions, pay full PRSI etc - the media just ignores them, so no-one ever hears about them!
in the private sector, if you work hard, it's recognised. In the civil service, that doesn't happen....
the other thing is that managers in civil service do not have any way to deal with underperformance of lower grades - or underperformance of higher grades! When a person is on the same salary for the rest of their lives, and there are no additional bonuses/perks, that person isn't likely to give a toss...
So you would cross the picket line?i think a clean sweep would be great! Need to start at the dead wood at the top - Yes Minister!
Wasn't one of the condition of Towards 2016 that public & civil servants gave up the 'right' to strike?
Lecturers here are extremely well paid 70 - 80k typically - how many grads would be earning 90k or so after a few years. Lecturers as well as highly paid are so under worked that a resourceful one managed to have two "full time" jobs at separate colleges. (He resigned recently when found out.)'It beggars belief that the Benchmarking Body could have recommended a zero pay increase for university lecturers who earn between €10,000 and €15,000 less per year than their average ex-students who graduated only three to five years ago,' the International Federation of University Teachers said.'
The joint submission made on behalf of all teachers clearly showed a significant gap between the lifetime earnings of teachers and those working in comparable careers in the public and private sectors,'
Contribute is the key word here. They don’t fund there own pensions, they throw a few bob into the pot and the rest of us make up the balance (i.e. most of it).- many public sector staff contribute to their own pensions
Yes but most do.- not all public sector staff have defined benefit pensions
Yea, and how many don’t get their pay increase? BTW a system where you get a pay increase for just not screwing up it nothing to be proud of, especially when it’s other peoples money that they are being paid with.- public sector staff do have performance reviews, and annual increments are subect to satisfactory performance and review
Yes, but most are.- not all public sector staff are unionised
Yes, but most don’t.- public sector staff (unionised and non-union) do cross pickets
We agree at last.People need to get real.
Lecturers here are extremely well paid 70 - 80k typically - how many grads would be earning 90k or so after a few years. Lecturers as well as highly paid are so under worked that a resourceful one managed to have two "full time" jobs at separate colleges. (He resigned recently when found out.)
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Originally Posted by csirl http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?p=553131#post553131
These costs are for consequential pay increases in private sector organisations doing public services where the Government has agreed to increase the payments it makes to these organisations in line with civil and public service pay rates. .... There is no reason why the Government should be determining the pay of private sector employees in hospitals - it should be up to the hospital owners to negotiate pay with their own staff and set their own rates.
With respect, it makes no sense to suggest that the HSE (for example) is a private sector organisation - especially when its staff only agreed to its establishment on condition that their existing entitlements as public sector employees would remain unchanged ad infinitum.
Most staff paid by HSE funds are NOT public servants. Staff in hospitals and most other organisations delivering health care, including the admin staff, are private sector employees whos wages are paid from HSE funds. These private sector workers make up the vast bulk of the health sector employees and use up the vast bulk of the HSE funds set aside for salaries. When people in the media etc talk about the large amount of funds spent on heatlh sector wages, they are including the private organisation employees in their figures.
Good point.I'm still trying to figure out what relevance this distinction has to this particular debate (ie benchmarking) as HSE staff were one of the largest groups standing to gain or lose as a result of the benchmarking body's report.
. public servants pay towards their pension, civil servants do not.
Contribute is the key word here. They don’t fund there own pensions, they throw a few bob into the pot and the rest of us make up the balance (i.e. most of it).
Yes but most do.
Yea, and how many don’t get their pay increase? BTW a system where you get a pay increase for just not screwing up it nothing to be proud of, especially when it’s other peoples money that they are being paid with.
Yes, but most are.
Yes, but most don’t.
We agree at last.
These salary figures represent the cream of the profession. There are many, many lecturers in public institutions earning much less that - many on part-time or fixed-term contracts with little or no security. The double-jobber story was quite funny, mind you.Lecturers here are extremely well paid 70 - 80k typically - how many grads would be earning 90k or so after a few years. Lecturers as well as highly paid are so under worked that a resourceful one managed to have two "full time" jobs at separate colleges. (He resigned recently when found out.)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just lecturers (from both public & private educational institutions) who run side businesses. Many architects, architectural technicians, engineers, plumbers, ICT people etc run side businesses too. The homeopath that I know is an ICT developer in a bank by day, and homeopathist by night.Not only that, but most lecturers I know ( well in to the double figures ) have a "side" business, they operate as nixers, in their "spare" time, holidays, days off etc. EG some do quantity surveying / building drawings work, snag lists + consultancy for builders + disputes ; others work in "outdoor education / sports" area during the long summer holidays ; another does homeopathy from home in the evenings / weekends etc. Yet they all have a great day job , great hours, conditions + security , etc
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