I'm very suspicious of the opaqueness of smart tariffs
In essence, the smart tariffs only make sense if you can move a significant portion of your usage to the nights or weekends and avoid the shorter peak times as much as possible. The online comparison tools help shoe you if a smart plan makes sense for you if you have a good understanding of your usage.In case I have missed out on some of the information in those threads, I'm just wondering, if you have time, could you elaborate on the smart tariffs.
I would be careful about the temperature you heat your water to.If youre already on a smart tarriff, it is apparently, very difficult to switch from that,to a day/night meter, but some have managed to do it.
For the heat pump, you can set a timer on this, to only heat the water during the night rate hours, typically most people with this setup, have the water heated, before morning showers. You can also limit the upper temperature, we use 50 degrees C, and this has worked out fine. Its pointless, heating water to a temperature above that, if it is not being used. The only time we’ve been caught out is where we have say 2 friends staying, and extra showers etc. you can manually over-ride where required, we don’t have any electric showers.
For house heating, find a temperature that suits yee, and set that. This depends on personal preference, and the insulation level and BER of the house. It tends to come on occasionally to maintain temperature's at night, and more frequently on cold winter nights.
During cold nights, the heat pump automatically comes on and goes into “antifreeze” mode, this uses bare minimum power, and significantly less, than when it is actually heating the house, i could be wrong but my understanding is, this is just keeping the external unit, above a minimum temperture.
To benefit fully, from a day/night meter, you also need to change some habits, and time washing machines/dryers/dishwashers, to finish before the night rate ends. We also changed appliances over time, to efficient rated ones, and all bulbs changed to low wattage LED’s, and get better at switching off things, rather than leave them on standby, cumulatively, these items, all add up.
50% usage on night rate is relatively easily achievable. We have an EV also, so its higher, but expect it to go to more than 60 % this summer, as the heating not in use, as tempertures rise.
If you actively make some habit changes, a day/night meter is difficult to beat, i’ve run the numbers a number of times, and makes sense for us, but is largely dependant on each individual household setup. The higher annual standing charge is more than compensated for ourselves, assuming you can move 50 % + to night rate.
The 9 hours on a much cheaper rate, means it is the most practical setup, by far, for an EV, as you are not plugging in/out every single night to avail of a 2 to 3 hour low rate, which is what is only on offer on smart rate plans.
Solar PV, is also an option to consider as well, we don’t have this currently, allthough i have got a quote last year, and thought the payback was a little too long, but keeping an eye on this also.
Hi Leo,However, some have suggested that it is not possible to move back to a non-smart plan. That if true is potentially a bigger issue.
I would be careful about the temperature you heat your water to.
As far as I know water should be brought to 60degrees C to get rid of the threat of legionnaires:
Managing legionella in hot and cold water systems - HSE
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I doubt that there's very much that can be saved on washing machines and dishwashers but I suppose every little helps.
I think they all do this. I've a Daikin and it's set to go to 60° once a week.Good point, and i asked about this, there is a routine on the heat pump for this very purpose, it regularly brings it above 60, its a built in feature, of the Mitsubishi Eco Dan
In case I have missed out on some of the information in those threads, I'm just wondering, if you have time, could you elaborate on the smart tariffs.
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