Colm's decision to start reducing his position in Apple last summer in starting to look particularly smart with the benefit of hindsight - the stock price has fallen by almost 40% since early October 2018. Ouch!Apple is one of my longest standing and best-performing stocks (first discussed in my Sunday Times column of 6 December 2015: https://www.askaboutmoney.com/threads/colm-fagans-diary-of-a-private-investor.207496/ ). In June 2017, I increased my holding by 50%, buying at $144.26 a share. I bought more again in January 2018 at $169.85 a share. Feelings of vertigo started in May, and I sold a small portion of my holding at $187.43. I sold further tranches at $191.95 in June, at $218.18 in August, and at $220.69 in October, ending up with slightly more than I had before the May 2017 purchases. Each sale at a higher price than the last one made me feel annoyed with myself for selling too soon. No longer. At the current price of $178.60, my decision to offload a significant portion of my holding is looking good.
Thanks Sarenco, but I wasn't that smart: I only offloaded shares bought since June 2017; I held on to the ones bought before then. Needless to say, I'm now sorry I didn't get rid of the lot in October last.Colm's decision to start reducing his position in Apple last summer in starting to look particularly smart with the benefit of hindsight
I only offloaded shares bought since June 2017; I held on to the ones bought before then
Yes, Gordon, they're in different accounts.Or do you have different pots which each held Apple shares
Actually, following last night's post, I've been thinking about why I didn't sell the lot when prices were high. In retrospect, it was probably because I would have incurred a significant CGT liability if I had sold the rest
Needless to say, I'm now sorry I didn't get rid of the lot in October last. Despite the recent bad news, I'm not inclined to sell at the current price ($148.25).
Actually, following last night's post, I've been thinking about why I didn't sell the lot when prices were high. In retrospect, it was probably because I would have incurred a significant CGT liability if I had sold the rest (the account from which I sold isn't liable to CGT). There are two lessons from that: one is that we shouldn't let tax prevent us from doing the right thing; the second lesson is that, if the CGT rate were lower, the state would probably make more money from the tax, as people like me would realise gains more frequently.
Yes, absolutely. I think that's a more important driver than CGT. I am much more likely to sell a share that I hold in the spread bet account and tend to treat shares held in the pension or "personal" account as more long-term investments, and I'm less likely to sell if I think I'll get good value over the next (say) five years from shares held in those accounts, irrespective of whether I think they're marginally overvalued at the moment. There's definitely an emotional aspect to that.Is there a different approach taken when operating in each of your Pension/Taxable Account/Spread Bet account?
I would find it very hard to sell a stock that I thought was undervalued (and I think that some of my holdings are grossly undervalued at the moment). It may be possible to argue that it might be still worth while selling in order to crystallise the loss (in order to reduce the CGT bill) and then buy back at the lower price, but I would be loath to incur the costs involved in stamp duty, broker's commission and bid-offer spreads. Also, at the end of the day, you'd have a share with a lower cost price and thus a higher CGT liability when you eventually sell.With regard to CGT liability the big sell off recently would have allowed you to sell other stocks at a loss
SoftBank announced today that it is scaling back its planned investment in WeWork from $16 billion to $2 billion, in response to investor concerns at WeWork's prospects. They must have read my update and agreed with my assessment!!! The share price jumped 5.7% on the news.The Saudi connection and SoftBank’s stake in WeWork, which I think is grossly overvalued, were the main reasons why I decided to short the stock some months ago.
Jayz, Colm, 5% a year over 3 years.
But all the same if I was offered a daredevil ride to Belfast, bouncing off the hard shoulder, I think I would prefer the train even if it was a few minutes slower
Absolutely. History – and logic – are on my side. Risk-takers must earn more in the long-term. Period. Anyone with an investment horizon of 8 years or longer can afford that luxury. (I would put it even shorter). Most pensioners fall into that category.Are you still confident of a 6% target return?
To misquote the Bard of Avon: “There are more things in heaven and earth, Actuary, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”. If I analyse a stock and conclude it’s undervalued, I buy it. If I analyse a stock and conclude it’s overvalued, I sell it. What’s not respectable about that?I don't think shorting stock is yet a respectable investment strategy in the actuarial syllabus.
Sell? Maybe, but Short?If I analyse a stock and conclude it’s overvalued, I sell it. What’s not respectable about that?
I'll accept the argument of the equity risk premium which says that the fear of short term risk makes them good value for long term investors- i.e. the price compensates for the risk.
I do broadly believe in the EMH or at least that there is no way that I can outsmart the market. But EMH does not rule out there being good value for some. That is because both risk appetite and risk assessment are very dependent on investment horizon. Thus a 25 year old both assesses that over her horizon the risk will pan out and they also have an appetite for short term volatility. A 75 year old will assess higher risk and also have a lesser appetite. Hence one could posit a stable model where young folk are buyers and getting good value for the risks they are taken and old folk are winding down their holding as they see the risks becoming progressively higher than the price of that risk in the market.This assumes the risk is worth the price, but if the market was efficient that should not be the case.
You cannot have a risk premium and an efficient market.
Every enterprise faces risk.
And I disagree with @cremeegg: you still have an ERP in an efficient market; you still have to get rewarded for taking the risk.
???? I don't know whether you're referring to me, my contribution, or Mr and Mrs Bezos. I'll leave it go.[I would love to go on here and make a positive point, but at the moment it eludes me.]
And how would the price to "reflect the risk" be calculated? Presumably by discounting expected future receipts at the bond yield plus the equity risk premium, so you end up in the same spot.If the market was efficient, the price would reflect the risk without a premium.
Just want to make sure we are talking the same language. Let's imagine we have a betting slip which pays €2 if a coin toss comes up Heads and zero otherwise. A fair (efficient?) price for this slip "reflecting the risk" would be €1. However, for investors anyway, they should want compensation i.e. a premium for the risk as well as a reflection of it. They might only give you 80c.If the market was efficient, the price would reflect the risk without a premium.
???? I don't know whether you're referring to me, my contribution, or Mr and Mrs Bezos. I'll leave it go.
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