Well, I do!Who would actually do this?
The bond markets are dysfunctional. Short term yields are negative. Better under the mattress. But the monetary authorities are playing on the fact that banks don't have mattresses big enough. Long term yields are also silly, so much so that life companies are told to ignore long term market yields and use a considerably higher yield to value their liabilities.Well, I do!
The idea that the capital markets are dramatically mispricing bonds relative to equities seems bizarre to me. Equities are now richly valued by any metric and that will inevitably impact future returns.
Duke, I don't have a major problem with your analysis but I'm reminded of the traders' adage: "Bears make sense, bulls make money." Markets are always a source of worry. That's why they deliver so well in the long term - to reward people like me for taking the risk. And I wouldn't be as pessimistic as you on current prospects for equities. At present, the dividend yield on the FTSE All-Share Index is 3.73% (I can't shake off my colonial trait of using the UK market as my reference point); ten years ago to the day it was 4.24%. Dividends are expected to increase from their current levels, so I hope to get considerably more than 3.73% in the long-term. I'm happy to project 6%. The current Earnings Yield is 7.6%; ten years ago it was 8.6%. That doesn't smell too much of irrational exuberance to me.But I wouldn't be as confident as Colm is that equities will return 6% p.a. over the next 20 years. There is no room left in the revaluation metric, such growth has to come from economic fundamentals alone (or inflation). Indeed as QE eventually unwinds the revaluation metric should act as a brake on performance.
This is where I get lost. You ARE trying to protect your wealth. I'm NOT trying to maximise mine. Quite frankly, I don't care what my "wealth" is at any point in time. I DO want to maximise the earning potential of my portfolio. That means avoiding anything that will not deliver the expected return. That definitely includes bonds, which I know are a disaster from an income perspective. Why should I want to "moderate the risk profile of my portfolio" in the short-term, if it destroys its long-term earnings potential? It makes no sense.Of course I expect equities to out-perform bonds over the next 15 years. But I still allocate a portion of my pension to bonds. Why? To moderate the risk profile of my portfolio.
I'm not investing to maximise my wealth - I'm trying to achieve my financial goals while taking the least amount of risk possible. Bonds are important tool in this regard.
Well, I do!
The idea that the capital markets are dramatically mispricing bonds relative to equities seems bizarre to me. Equities are now richly valued by any metric and that will inevitably impact future returns.
Of course I expect equities to out-perform bonds over the next 15 years. But I still allocate a portion of my pension to bonds. Why? To moderate the risk profile of my portfolio.
I'm not investing to maximise my wealth - I'm trying to achieve my financial goals while taking the least amount of risk possible. Bonds are important tool in this regard.
I think if you reread his comments, it was in relation to the long term investment. He consistently points to the 30 year treasury bond yields, and that over that timeframe equities will always outperform bonds.Warren Buffett made a point about bonds in his recent letter, he said he is not an investor and won't be at today's low returns.
Sorry I don't understand this? Are you saying there has been no additional funds added to global stock markets since the 90's?yet the amount of money invested in world stock markets has remained virtually static since 1990s.
Mr Buffett's views on bonds are actually quite nuanced.
Here's an extract from his 2018 shareholder letter –
"I want to quickly acknowledge that in any upcoming day, week or even year, stocks will be riskier – far riskier – than short-term U.S. bonds. As an investor’s investment horizon lengthens, however, a diversified portfolio of U.S. equities becomes progressively less risky than bonds, assuming that the stocks are purchased at a sensible multiple of earnings relative to then-prevailing interest rates."
I wouldn't disagree with any of that but it does beg the question – what is a sensible multiple of earnings relative to the then-prevailing interest rates? The cyclically adjusted price ratio of the S&P500 is currently twice its long term average and reflects 1929 valuations. Is that a sensible multiple of earnings relative to prevailing interest rates today? Frankly, I don't know so I'll hedge my bets somewhat.
I would also note that earlier in the same letter , Mr Buffett made the following remark -
"During the 2008-2009 crisis, we liked having Treasury Bills – loads of Treasury Bills…"
In the shorter term, his actions tell more. He has no choice but to invest in bonds (or the money markets). Berkshire Hathaway is sitting on in excess of $110bn in cash equivalents, of which over 45bn is in short dated treasury bonds. So he is in fact a large investor in bonds, whatever he says!
The cyclically adjusted price-earnings ratio of the S&P500 currently stands at 32.8 and 10-year US Treasuries are currently yielding 2.8%.The difference being that in 1929 prior to the crash T bills were yielding a descent coupon so while P/E's may be at 1929 levels one must consider the contemporaneous returns available from alternative or risk free assets which today stand at multi-century lows
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