just to clarify - HSE??I can't help thinking the locals aren't helping their case by getting involved in fisticuffs with the guards & breaking HSE regulations themselves.
What's the chances that Shell will share their billions with the other oil companies who spent hundreds of millions exploring?it should also be remembered that oil companies have spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the years looking for oil and gas off the west coast. I really don't think most people have any idea of the cost of drilling.
I don't think there's much chance of this happening but if any of the other oil companies who were looking found oil or gas I don't think they would share it either. What's your point?What's the chances that Shell will share their billions with the other oil companies who spent hundreds of millions exploring?
I agree that it's a disgrace that police resources are being tied up there and not used where they could help more. I don't see how they could not be diploid there though as public order is their remit.I wonder why there is no difficulty putting 200 gardai on site to act as private security for Shell in Mayo when many inner-city communities are crying out for more gardai on the streets.
My point is that because oil companies have to spend upwards of one million dollars a day just to have an exploration rig at sea and there is a low chance of getting a return the rewards have to be high. The fact that the oil or gas is not shared between all the oil companies only increases the risks. I still don't know what point you were making with your comments about sharing. If oil companies knew that they would get a share of oil or gas found by other companies none of them would bother drilling 10" diameter holes three miles deep through sea bed a mile under water.My point about 'sharing' was in response to your point about the millions spent on exploration. So really, it's a case of 'whats your point?'.
Only a cynic that was either a simpleton or choose to ignore the complexities of the situation in Moyross. I fully accept that more should be done to help Moyross and other areas that suffer high levels of social deprivation (even if that means higher taxes etc) but there is no link between Mayross and the Shell to Sea protests.My point about Garda resources was to highlight the fact that people can be shot in Moyross on a regular basis, and the Gardai are still left without the resources to control that situation, but when there is a hint of a huge oil company coming under siege, there seems to be no problem with resources. A cynic might come to the conclusion that Shell's profits are more important than human life down in the Dept of Justice.
Nothing I'd disagree with there, though I'm still struggling to see the relevance of this to the Corrib unrest discussion. If there is some implication for the unrest, you might want to spell this out.My point is that because oil companies have to spend upwards of one million dollars a day just to have an exploration rig at sea and there is a low chance of getting a return the rewards have to be high. The fact that the oil or gas is not shared between all the oil companies only increases the risks.
Only a cynic that was either a simpleton or choose to ignore the complexities of the situation in Moyross. I fully accept that more should be done to help Moyross and other areas that suffer high levels of social deprivation (even if that means higher taxes etc) but there is no link between Mayross and the Shell to Sea protests.
It has nothing to do with Corrib but it has a lot to do with the Red Herring of how Shell are ripping off the people of Ireland that is thrown in when the Corrib gas field is discussed. It may well be true but it has nothing to do with the safety concerns that are supposed to be at issue in Mayo.Nothing I'd disagree with there, though I'm still struggling to see the relevance of this to the Corrib unrest discussion. If there is some implication for the unrest, you might want to spell this out.
I am no fan of oil companies, the French ones being the worst by a mile when it comes to abuse of human rights and supporting despots Burma, Rwanda etc) but at Landsdown road the IRFU, FIA, concert promoter etc wants the people there (and make money from each one), Shell don't. I do not see any reason why a person or corporation should have to pay the policing costs for legal and illegal protest against them. Imagine the precedent that would set? Pro-life groups could put pro-choice groups out of business simply by protesting against them, and vice versa.You seem to have missed my point. I never said or implied that additional Gardai would completely resolve the Moyross situation. Moyross is just one example of the many, many better things that the Gardai could be doing, other than providing private security for Shell. When Gardai attend at Landsdowne Road or Croker, the organising body shells out a portion of the costs incurred by the state. How much has Shell paid out? [Hint: Zero]
Moyross is just one example of the many, many better things that the Gardai could be doing, other than providing private security for Shell.
A cynic might come to the conclusion that Shell's profits are more important than human life down in the Dept of Justice.
I wonder why there is no difficulty putting 200 gardai on site to act as private security for Shell in Mayo when many inner-city communities are crying out for more gardai on the streets.
You seem to have missed my point. I never said or implied that additional Gardai would completely resolve the Moyross situation. Moyross is just one example of the many, many better things that the Gardai could be doing, other than providing private security for Shell. When Gardai attend at Landsdowne Road or Croker, the organising body shells out a portion of the costs incurred by the state. How much has Shell paid out? [Hint: Zero]
While it is obvious that Shell don't want the people there, they are nevertheless a commercial entity. Their sole objective in this project is to make money. It is a commercial venture, not a social movement or a protest.at Landsdown road the IRFU, FIA, concert promoter etc wants the people there (and make money from each one), Shell don't. I do not see any reason why a person or corporation should have to pay the policing costs for legal and illegal protest against them. Imagine the precedent that would set? Pro-life groups could put pro-choice groups out of business simply by protesting against them, and vice versa.
You get planning permission to build a house. I objected but my objection was rejected.
You start building your house but I decided to do illegal things to stop the builders...
How much should you have to pay to get me arrested ?
I'd be really happy if Shell reimbursed the State for the costs of the resources applied to help them make more money.Even if they can well afford it, would you really be happy if Shell told the Gardai to stay away and hired their own private security force to handle the protests?
While it is obvious that Shell don't want the people there, they are nevertheless a commercial entity. Their sole objective in this project is to make money. It is a commercial venture, not a social movement or a protest.
I'd be really happy if Shell reimbursed the State for the costs of the resources applied to help them make more money.
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