No, it required very little work; in all honesty it was inspired by this and another similar thread, which was in turn I believe inspired by potential chip-wrapping / attic-insulation material.You have working on that idea for awhile!
No, it required very little work; in all honesty it was inspired by this and another similar thread, which was in turn I believe inspired by potential chip-wrapping / attic-insulation material.
I was replying to someone who said that tougher sentences would lead to lower crime rates. There is no evidence of that.
Britain tried getting tough with mandatory sentencing and taking away judges descretion a few years ago. They had to reverse that within a couple of years due to the amount of life sentences given and prison overcrowding.
I'm not arguing for anything, just against a poorly thought-out solution to a perceived problem.But you've yet to come up with an alternative arguement other than insuate that those in favour of mandatory sentencing are working class stiffs who read tabloid papers, watch reality TV shows and don't really know what they're talking about.
Why don't you tell us why minimum mandatory sentencing would be a bad thing without referring to "mitigating circumstances" or "discretion"?
Ok, let's use the disgusting example of child abuse. At the moment, the Judge can reduce the sentence if I plead guilty and spare the child having to testify. Remove that discretion from the judge and alot more victims will have to relive their experiences in a court room because there would be no reason to plead guilty. Might as well take your chances in trial.
That's just one example of why descretion is important.
But should child rapists ever get a suspended sentence?
So you reckon that murders and rapes don't happen in prison?If someone murders or rapes they belong in prison where they can't do it again.
So you reckon that murders and rapes don't happen in prison?
I disagree and would phrase the issue as "Are judges giving sentences which adequately punish offenders for the crimes they are found guilty of?"... The key question is are the judges giving sentences which adequately punish offenders for the crimes the commit ...
Ah I see now - the life of a prisoner (or prison officer, or prison visitor, or prison teacher) is worth less than other lives - is that your position?Where would you rather they happen, in or out of prison?
So you reckon that murders and rapes don't happen in prison?
I disagree and would phrase the issue as "Are judges giving sentences which adequately punish offenders for the crimes they are found guilty of?"
There seems to be confusion about the differences between what the rabble-rousing Star (for example) prints, what appears to happen in court-cases in Coronation St Land or CSI: Belmullet and what actually happens in an Irish court of law.
Ah I see now - the life of a prisoner (or prison officer, or prison visitor, or prison teacher) is worth less than other lives - is that your position?
In some people's eyes the woman killed her child and in their view she seems to be guilty of murder. In court she was convicted of "wilful ill-treatment of her daughter" after entering a guilty plea; the state dropped the manslaughter charge.I don't understand your point.
In some people's eyes the woman killed her child and in their view she seems to be guilty of murder. In court she was convicted of "wilful ill-treatment of her daughter" after entering a guilty plea; the state dropped the manslaughter charge.
She stands convicted of "wilful ill-treatment of her daughter" and the judge sentenced accordingly; despite all his rhetoric in reviewing the evidence, he can only impose a sentence based on the crime she was found (pleaded) guilty of, not people's perception of what crime she actually committed or the crime she was originally charged with.
Is that any clearer?
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