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SteelBlue05

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Read recently the Luas for Lucan (due 2008 is it?) is going to go from Lucan to Clondalkin,CityWest, Tallaght....city centre. Is that a bit crazy? It should go Lucan, Liffey Valley, Ballyfermot,Bluebell,sounth circular road.....it would be a lot quicker, I thought that was to original plan. Anyone know?

I checked Luas.ie and south dublin county councel website but couldnt find anything..
 
Judging by yesterday's events on the Luas it probably is crazy. Due to overcrowding inbound trams on the red line (Tallaght - Connolly) were terminating somewhere outside the city centre yesterday afternoon. And they were nearly as bad heading out of town - mobbed! The system simply could not cope with the demand. And this was a Sunday! Extending it further afield would surely simply exacerbate this problem?
 
I'd say the demand from Lucan would fill most of the Luas's between 7.30 and 8.30 every morning before it even gets to the other stations.
 
Luas for lucan! where did you read this? is news to me. Dont know why they didnt do this line originally seeing as the old trams used to go out to lucan
 
It was in the Indepenent last week. Also found a bit about it at [broken link removed] but the route stated there for Lucan Luas is different to what was in the paper, I guess the website is out of date.
 
heres that article....from 6th August

A €20bn public transport plan that will introduce six new Luas routes in Dublin will be officially announced by the Government next month.

The unprecedented 10-year plan, details of which have been seen by the Irish Independent, will also include the development of a metro system linking Dublin airport with the city centre.

The plan will have three major components targeting Dublin, the commuter regions serving the capital, and the rest of the country with a particular focus on the Border Midlands and Western (BMW) region.

Up to six new Luas routes will form the basis of the scheme with the light rail system criss-crossing Dublin, providing more services to commuters in outlying areas of the city.

The Luas system will be upgraded to link the existing red and green lines between St Stephen's Green and O'Connell Street.

An extension of the Sandyford line to Cherrywood at Loughlinstown to serve areas like Glencairn, the Gallops, Ballyogan Woods, Leopardstown Racecourse and Carrickmines will be developed.

The Tallaght line will be extended to Citywest, Clondalkin, and Lucan. A brand new service in the docklands with an extension from Connolly Station to the docks is also believed to form part of the plan.

The Irish Independent has learned that the Government and the Rail Procurement Agency (RPA) are in the process of securing deals with private developers to ensure they contribute to meeting the cost of the extensions.

It is also expected that new 40-foot Luas trams will be introduced to increase capacity on the system.

Under the plan, the M50 will be finished to complete the ring around Dublin city. And the eastern bypass - which is seen as the final segment in this project - will link the port tunnel to the M50.

A metro system to link Dublin airport with the city centre will start at Swords to serve the town's growing population.

It is understood that the plan is being developed to work in tandem with the National Spatial Strategy which is intent on balancing development throughout the regions.

The plan also contains proposals for an 'inter-connector' rail line, which would travel under the River Liffey to link Heuston Station with Connolly Station via Westland Row Dart station.

This would act as a link between all modes of transport in the city, allowing commuters to access Luas, Dart, inter-city rail links, and Dublin Bus. Details are more sketchy for proposals at a national level, but it is thought the plan includes a focus on completing all the road links between Dublin and major cities with a focus on the BMW region.

The plan will be launched by Transport Minister Martin Cullen later this year.

"What I and the Government are now in a position to do is bring forward an ambitious, integrated plan for developing all elements of our transport infrastructure," he said.

"The plan which we will publish will not be a collection of disjointed projects with no connecting logic. The timescale and resources made available by Government has allowed us to take an integrated approach to infrastructure planning," he said.

"The objective is to achieve a high quality transport system in tune with the economic and social needs not of today but of the decades ahead," Mr Cullen said.

The minister said that within the capital city and its hinterland, the provision of more roads was not the solution to transport needs.

"A high quality, high capacity transport infrastructure which will eradicate existing congestion and cater for further rapid population growth must rely on public transport," he said.

"Implementation of this plan will have a major and positive impact not only on economic activity but also on the attractions of the city as a place to live and to work."

The new 10-year transport plan to be unveiled by the Government proposes:

Up to six new Luas routes.

Linking the existing red and green lines between St Stephen's Green and O'Connell Street.

Extension of the Sandyford line to Cherrywood (serving Glencairn, the Gallops, Ballyogan Woods, Leopardstown Racecourse, and Carrickmines).

Extension of the Tallaght line into Citywest.

Extension of the Tallaght line to Clondalkin.

New service in Docklands (extension from Connolly Station to docks)

A Metro system linking Swords with the City Centre via Dublin airport.

Completion of the M50 to form a complete ring around Dublin city.

Infrastructual road links between Dublin and major cities, to be completed with focus on Border, Midlands and Western region.

Inter-connector rail line linking Heuston Station with Connolly Station via Westland Row Dart station under the River Liffey.
 
There is an abundance of discussion in the Commuting/Transport forum on boards.ie on this topic. Very informative, there is a lot of background on why certain solutions atre unworkable, what might be the best solutions etc. Some of the contributors are members of the lobby group Platform 11.
 
In fairness, the Lucan-City Centre route is a relatively quick one compared with others and the journey time by bus is reasonably good. There's a bus-lane practically all the way in.

Maybe the intention was to link a densely-populated area with an area of high commercial activity i.e. as a means of promoting Tallaght as a viable alternative to the city centre.
 
"Under the plan, the M50 will be finished to complete the ring around Dublin city. And the eastern bypass - which is seen as the final segment in this project - will link the port tunnel to the M50. "

As i understood it, the Port Tunnel was supposed to be reserved for Trucks. hence they are free to use it, whereas Joe Taxpayer who actually paid for the tunnel has to pay, is it 12 euro or something insane to use the tunnel?
So in that case, if there is a cost to cars to use the tunnel....how are they going to us it as part of the Eastern Bypass?

The obvious thing to have done surely was to make the Eastern Bypass a tunnel for cars, and meanwhile have built an East-West tunnel more or less following the path of the Liffey out to the M50 by the West Link for trucks. That would have allowed West bound trucks to use the East-West Link. North Bound trucks to have joined the Eastern Bypass North and Southbound trucks to have joined the Eastern Bypass South.
Even make the East-West link usable for cars and toll it, direct city centre link from the West link. it would have seen Dublin with a full ring road with a line in the middle connecting East-West.

Now though, if you are a trucker, and you're going to the South of the Country...why the hell would you want to go North in the current port tunnel and then have to face coming back the whole way along the M50 and having to pay a toll at the West Link...its insane.
 

excluding summer months its 55-60mins to get from Lucan to St Stephens green by car, thats about a 7.5 mile journey. Thats reasonably good to you? ALthough I am sure there are worse routes it doesnt mean something cannot be improved.

I think maybe once the N4 is upgraded to a 3 lane then it may help a lot. Although it might just push the bottleneck up towards Kilmainham instead of the M50 Lucan roundabout.
 
ClubMan said:
Perhaps a bike or a moped would be an option for a c. 8 mile trip?

I'm one of those who like being able to go the 10 feet from the frontdoor to the car and into the carpark at work. No walking to the bus stop, waiting for buses, putting on gear for the bike, getting wet on rainy days, no thanks!
 
SteelBlue05 said:
excluding summer months its 55-60mins to get from Lucan to St Stephens green by car, thats about a 7.5 mile journey. Thats reasonably good to you?

I believe the orignal comment was that due to the bus lanes the journey by bus is reasonably good. Would have to agree although I don't do it that often anymore. Biggest problem I would have ever had is that it's hard to get space on a bus in the first place!
 
ClubMan said:
Perhaps a bike or a moped would be an option for a c. 8 mile trip?

The amount of people using bikes in this city will never increase unless there are better facilities for cyclists. Sharing bus lanes is a recipe for disaster.

BTW, it doesn't rain that often - especially at the times one wants to go anywhere!
 
SteelBlue05 said:
excluding summer months its 55-60mins to get from Lucan to St Stephens green by car, thats about a 7.5 mile journey. Thats reasonably good to you?

I was referring to the public transport alternatives. If you prefer to drive when the bus is quicker, it probably makes no diffeernce where the Luas goes.
 
Magoo said:
I was referring to the public transport alternatives. If you prefer to drive when the bus is quicker, it probably makes no diffeernce where the Luas goes.

Yeah, true. I was really thinking along the lines of sitting back watching my house increase in value if the Luas runs close to it. But its not going to make much of a difference if the damn thing runs out to Tallaght and citywest before heading into town.
 
Why can't the number of carriages be increased. The green line trams are longer.
 
I think it has something to do with the number of junctions that the Red Line has to pass through?