Liz O'Kane: The Late Late Show and Sardinia.

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Liz O'Kane promoted Sardinia as the next best thing in terms of overseas property investment.

I guess that Sardinia is a beautiful place, with a lovely climate and a charming population but from a purely financial standpoint how does this location stack up in terms of return on investment, rental income and capital appreciation?
 
I would have been more interested in knowing what was her financial interest - is she involved with anyone selling or has she bought in substantially herself.

Were those questions asked?
 
Yes Id be interested to know what interest she might have in Sardinia but decided not to ask as I didnt want this to evolve into a discussion about DO'K ( a la Eddie Hobbs and CV). I think it best to assume that she has some interest in promoting the location and discount her contributions accordingly.
 
If that was a newspaper they would have had to print a big "advertisement feature" at the top of the page, where was the balanced "debate" last night ?

There should have been someone there to say the global property scam is over, don't waste your money if it's only an "investment" !.
 
Well without treading into LOK bashing I wonder what's so different about Sardinia, it's not as if the island just dropped into the Med yesterday out of thin air. Why haven't values appreciated previously and what's changed that they'll start appreciateting now (in the middle of a property led credit crunch).
 
Well without treading into LOK bashing I wonder what's so different about Sardinia, it's not as if the island just dropped into the Med yesterday out of thin air. Why haven't values appreciated previously and what's changed that they'll start appreciateting now (in the middle of a property led credit crunch).

Ive been approached lately from some landowners in sardinia with regards to developing a resort in sardinia, and am looking at a few different angles there.

On the positive side of things its not quite as wrapped up by the various mafia factions as sicily and calabria are.
Its a more presitgious area in the eyes of the italians for holidays and slightly higher end then the aforementioned.
Rental yields seem to be pretty good.
The idea of owning a luxury apartment in sardinia im sure would appeal to many people.

Capital appreciation is another thing though, as howitzer mentioned its a difficult time in the industry in general
The important thing for me in looking at sardinia is how easy it is to go in on a developmental level.
Beautiful spots like calabria and sicily have only been marketed recently because the difficulties lied in the planning the corruption and obtainting the right title and permits on the land. And even in those recently marketed they have not all been transparent when it comes to those things.

So these are things that would need to be checked by a buyer going into Sardinia.

Dont just accept the pitch your given do a solid due diligence.

Ill be doing a general one over the next few months and will mention my findings
 
Well without treading into LOK bashing I wonder what's so different about Sardinia, it's not as if the island just dropped into the Med yesterday out of thin air. Why haven't values appreciated previously and what's changed that they'll start appreciateting now (in the middle of a property led credit crunch).

I agree. When punters mention rising markets, the justification normally relates to factors such as to changes in the political environment, improved transport infrastructures or changes in regulations for foreign ownership.

Why now, of all times, does Sardinia arise as a shrewd buy? it's not any more develped now than it was five years ago. As for Ryanair flying there, they've been doing this for years without fanfare or with much of an apparent impact on property prices.

I suspect an ulterior motive but I'd give her the benefit of the doubt.
 
coolhanduke - maybe regarding if this were a newspaper, but tell me how many times have we NOT read what you stated when it should have been, by countless Irish EAs and reporters professing this and that about many Irish developments and lumped many suckers on board to relieve them of their cash. Liz was asked a question for which she offered a reply. She wasn't there prostituting her beliefs on Sardinia, but gave an answer to a stupid question. In fact if this is all the Late Late can offer, put on more repearts of Father Ted or Fools and Horses
 
In fact if this is all the Late Late can offer, put on more repearts of Father Ted or Fools and Horses

Agreed.

I have never found LOK creditable and what she was on the programme last night for, I do not know. She made mainly some baffling comments like 'look at the size of the EA's notepaper on the internet sites' - strange.

Surely the late late can draw bigger people than this.
 
Dear all, I don't think we have to bash the late late or Liz, the fact is as people have said in other replies, Ryanair have been flying for 3-4 years now and without fanfare, people have been holidaying in Sardinia without fanfare.

However I can vouch for the fact that Sardinia is one of the last over developed Paradise Islands in the med. I bought a property with my Sardinian wife 2 years ago and we have never been happier, the place is a beautiful one. For investment there are many opportunities and the prices are very favorable and are easily covered by tourist rentals. Think about it, properties by the coast from €150,000 with rents in high season of €1200/week. With a bit of research and cutting through the middlemen it is a very good offer. You can buy anything from a 1 bed for €80,000 to a villa for €3,000,000.00 beside Berlusconi.
Go have a look, nicer than a 1 bed in dublin for €350,000.00 for what? A beautiful view of a neighbouring grey building, I know where I would choose.
 
I guess that Sardinia is a beautiful place, with a lovely climate and a charming population but from a purely financial standpoint how does this location stack up in terms of return on investment, rental income and capital appreciation?

Hi BB (and welcome to AAM:)),

When I posted the question I anticipated responses like yours. I accept that Sardinia is a beautiful place. But my question relates to Sardinia as a property investment location.

Its a bit like trying to get me to invest in Diageo shares by talking about what a wonderful product Guinness is.

aj

Thanks Staples for posing the question "What has changed in the last few years that makes Sardinia a great property investment option"?

Thanks GDE for some very interesting points.
 
Liz was asked a question for which she offered a reply. She wasn't there prostituting her beliefs on Sardinia, but gave an answer to a stupid question.

Stupid or not, all these questions are raised in advance for ease of reply. She would have known that the qestions was coming and it well have been at her suggestion.

Pat K doesn't do spontaneous questions.:)
 
Agreed.

I have never found LOK creditable and what she was on the programme last night for, I do not know. She made mainly some baffling comments like 'look at the size of the EA's notepaper on the internet sites' - strange.

Surely the late late can draw bigger people than this.

It was pretty much filler nonsense and should be ignored but as one poster pointed out she was answering a rather banal and pointless question. And to be fair she never mentioned EA's notepaper on the internet. What she did say was that in her opinion advertising your house in the newspapers is a waste of time. Her point was that in a way you are paying to advertise the EA's brand because the dominant thing on the page is their logo while your property blends in with the 20 or 30 there also. She also said that 'missing' the property supplements in the papers is no big deal anymore...you just check the internet. I think she did make some valid points such as allowing multiple EA's sell the one property as it is in certain countries. Whoever sells the property gets the commission.And the advice to couples or friends about to purchase property together was sensible stuff. But yes, high brow it most certainly was not.
 
AJ, I accept your comments. I relation to investment -

I when I first experienced Sardinia 5 years ago, I saw huge potential for people with a few spare euros to buy, in irish eyes, cheap property. I spoke to my wifes family about buying a place and what do they think. Well the problem with some Sardinians is that they think going out for a meal to a restaurant is elaborate and why would you want to have the hassle. However being from Ireland and working in construction and development I was thinking differently, once I started to investigate I realised that in certain coastal regions property was very sought after.

So I thought buy now - €150,000 to start, 1 year later after striking a good deal with a local builder I bought for €172,000.00 and once the place was built they were selling for €190k, now 3 years later they are selling for €240,000.00.

The reason I think there is a good opp. now is Local laws have prohibitted any more new planning permissions within 3km of the coast. So what is available now and what will be completed soon, will be the only available stock. Plus 5 years ago it would take 2 flights and min €7-800, now with direct economical flights things will change, hopefully for the better.

Ciao ciao
 
And to be fair she never mentioned EA's notepaper on the internet. What she did say was that in her opinion advertising your house in the newspapers is a waste of time. Her point was that in a way you are paying to advertise the EA's brand because the dominant thing on the page is their logo while your property blends in with the 20 or 30 there also.


That's what I meant - although I didn't say it clearly
 
I thought it was an appallingly biased interview. Sardinia might well be everything she said but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole now.
 
nothing special about 1200 per week high season rent.......same runs true throughout spain etc and more importantly one must factor in the risk that the low fare airlines might pull the plug on sardinia and the ilk compared to the tried and trusted markets like iberia etc etc.
 
I think she did make some valid points such as allowing multiple EA's sell the one property as it is in certain countries. Whoever sells the property gets the commission

She followed this up by saying that the property ads are onlyt there to advertise the EA's after foolishly saying that people should get 10 EA's to sell their property. Would you be able to see the house for all the signs. When multiple EA's are on the case it generally lessens the amount of work put in by all because you could spend the most time on the property and come away with nothing, its better to direct your resources to properties that are yours alone to sell.

All in all I wouldn't follow any 'next big thing' advice from her when she seemed to have so little of use to say.
 
more importantly one must factor in the risk that the low fare airlines might pull the plug on sardinia and the ilk compared to the tried and trusted markets like iberia etc etc.

Good point. If Ryanair pulled out of Sardinia, the place would suddenly become remote. At least on the Italian mainland, there would always be alternatives.
 
Good point. If Ryanair pulled out of Sardinia, the place would suddenly become remote. At least on the Italian mainland, there would always be alternatives.

With rising Oil prices the Ryanair model might be a thing of the past. The Ryanair shareprice is a good indicator what might happen - higher fares and fewer destinations.
 
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