starlite68
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yes i taught we lived in a democratic country too...but it seems its only democratic as long as you vote the way the government want us to vote..otherwise it toys out of the pramb!I thought we lived in a democratic country?
yes i taught we lived in a democratic country too...but it seems its only democratic as long as you vote the way the government want us to vote..otherwise it toys out of the pramb!
some democaricy
What's the problem with voting on the same thing twice?
Eventually the fools on the "No" side might see sense.
Good point (maybe they do!).Just on a side issue, why do we all know more than the politicians? Why do the majority of them want a yes yet the majority of us want a no? You would think that they are more clued in than us and should know whats better for the country than we do
Good point (maybe they do!).
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves"
Maybe you could including thinking for oneself?
the fools on the"No"side account for the majority of irish voters.......so what dose that make you lot? The fools in the minorityWhat's the problem with voting on the same thing twice?
Eventually the fools on the "No" side might see sense.
My signature comes from the list of “You cannot” quotes which are usually attributed to Abraham Lincoln but which are also attributed to the Rev. William J. H. Boetcker who lived some time later.
The full list is:
You cannot bring prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot further brotherhood of men by inciting class hatred.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
As you can see they are all about thinking for yourself and being responsible for yourself.
You cannot bring prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot further brotherhood of men by inciting class hatred.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
I do think for myself. That's why I don't swallow Goebbels-like propaganda designed to play on the fears of average citizens peddled by military contractors, isolationists with a private army and right-wing religious fundamentalists.Maybe you could live by those maxims and think for yourself is my point
ThanksI've always wondered where you got the signature from.
Sounds like a good way to think.
I do think for myself. That's why I don't swallow Goebbels-like propaganda designed to play on the fears of average citizens peddled by military contractors, isolationists with a private army and right-wing religious fundamentalists.
How can you reason with people who "know more" about Corporation tax than ISME, abortion than the Catholic church and Irish Neutrality than the Irish government ?
The NO side are in for a tough lesson on European realpolitik.
That's me done in this thread.
funny 'cause it's true.
This is vitriolic conjecture, unbecoming of a hitherto venerable poster.. . Goebbels-like propaganda designed to play on the fears of average citizens peddled by military contractors, isolationists with a private army and right-wing religious fundamentalists.
Many of the issues aired (abortion, gay adoption, corporation tax etc) have nothing to do with Lisbon. Others, such as the loss of our commissioner for part of the time, had been decided before hand and Lisbon simply presented a mechanism to implement that decision. So most of the arguments against Lisbon were, to say the least, erroneous. The afore-mentioned Joe Goebbels wrote the book (so to speak) on this sort of popular campaign.This is vitriolic conjecture, unbecoming of a hitherto venerable poster.
The issues were aired, the people decided, it's time that the Yes proponents accepted same.
The issues were aired, the people decided, it's time that the Yes proponents accepted same.
Using other people's quotes? I'm agreeing with his position! You'd think you'd have figured out how these discussion boards work by nowMaybe you could follow Purples example about thinking for himself and start thinking for yourself instead of using other peoples quotes in a debate.
Many of the issues aired (abortion, gay adoption, corporation tax etc) have nothing to do with Lisbon. Others, such as the loss of our commissioner for part of the time, had been decided before hand and Lisbon simply presented a mechanism to implement that decision. So most of the arguments against Lisbon were, to say the least, erroneous.
Many of the issues aired (abortion, gay adoption, corporation tax etc) have nothing to do with Lisbon. Others, such as the loss of our commissioner for part of the time, had been decided before hand and Lisbon simply presented a mechanism to implement that decision. So most of the arguments against Lisbon were, to say the least, erroneous. The afore-mentioned Joe Goebbels wrote the book (so to speak) on this sort of popular campaign.
You may learn that ignoring reality doesn't change it. You have my sympathies that reality doesn't fit your views.Back to that rubbish again. I actaully thought the debate was moving forward.
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