leaving PPR and Renting larger home

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Hey all
Just wondering, I have an apartment as my PPR but its too small (1bed there are 4 fo us). I'm going to rent a house for a year (its going to kill me financially but I have to do this). I'm hoping to get someone in to help with the rent on the house. The apt will remain vacant.

If I'm paying a mortgage and rent a second house from our agent, can I claim rent relief?
 
You will qualify for rent relief if you are renting a home, however I believe it is being abolished in the budget (per 4 year plan).

Make sure you contact Revenue to stop your TRS if you are no longer living in the apartment. Also check whether your mortgage provider will change to an investment rate. Don't forget insurance - it may not be possible to insure an empty property (although I expect an apartment would be easier than a house).

Do a search here for previous posts about rent-to-rent, a lot of the advice given applies even if you are not renting out the PPR.

Sybil
 
tks Sybil!
So you cant claim TRS AND Rent Relief. Although I'm not living in the apartment I am still paying the mortgage on it..

As I'm also renting I thought I would be entitled to both TRS and Rent relief, they are two differnt properties. I'll keep looking! tx again!
 
No, TRS and rent relief are both only available for your PPR and you can only have one PPR at a time. The apartment will become an investment property the day you move out, also subject to NPPR tax.

It is possible to get both in a year if you move part way through the year, but as I said rent relief is being abolished anyway.
 
fantastic! tx a million for the info, I'll pay it forward (normally on this site!)
 
If you are renting close to where your apartment is, who is to say that the apartment is no longer your PPR, if it remains vacant? It would be a different matter if you were going to rent the apartment out, but if it is vacant, you can probably visit it now and again and maybe stay there overnight occasionally - and continue to consider it your main residence? I'd do that anyway. After all, you can live in several properties (e.g. a country house at weekends and a city pad during the week), and it's up to you to decide which is your PPR and which isn't. (Correct me someone, if I am wrong on this.)
 

Wherever you sleep most nights of the year is your PPR. You can only have 1 hence the term PRINCIPAL private residence. All properties other than your PPR are 'investment' properties.
 
Wherever you sleep most nights of the year is your PPR.

This would be true in many cases, but hardly so in all cases. If I permanently vacate my home on a date in December 2010, it is no longer my PPR as and from that date - yet it remains the place I have slept in for most of 2010.
 
Wherever you sleep most nights of the year is your PPR. You can only have 1 hence the term PRINCIPAL private residence. All properties other than your PPR are 'investment' properties.

Do you actually know it for a fact? I'll appreciate it if you could point out where the Revenue says so.

I genuinely don't know for Ireland. In the UK you this is definitely not the case - you can make an election specifying which property you consider to be your PPR.
 
Did a quick search on google and came up with some info: http://mcgibney.wordpress.com/2010/06/25/ivor-callelys-principal-private-residence-dilemma/

Also the Revenue Manual http://www.revenue.ie/en/about/foi/s16/index.html

From what I can see, it appears that there are a lot of grey areas around the concept of PPR.

This looks like most relevant to OP from the Revenue Manual:


This Manual is about capital gains tax but presumably it is also relevant to other taxes and reliefs.

Considering the fact that OP is only going to temporarily rent a second property, not buy it, I personally wouldn't bother with all this hassle. Just keep the first property's address on all important papers (for tax, bank statements, driving licence etc) and consider it to be my main residence. Don't see any point creating more hassle for myself when necessary.

As I said before, I would be different if OP was going to rent out his apartment. Then he would have lost his TRS relief, had to pay 200 euro NPPR charge, higher insurance, possibly higher mortgage rate. As it is - hardly worth the worry.

I'd say the important thing is the insurance - make sure you don't leave the apartment unoccupied for more than your policy permits, i.e. visit regularly to check that it's OK and to pick up the mail.
 
wow! Great replies folks.
I'll see what happens to Ivor... lol. Keep everything grey so you fall into the black hole.
When the dail release a bill to the Seanad that is double dutch to the layman, they have done their job as I have read somewhere. I think I'll leave it. I'm not intellectually challenged but I'm sure they'll find a way of stinging me. As Greta says, it aint worth the hassel..